RL is messing with my fandom activities

[bop_radar]

One day back at work and I'm already grieving the loss of quality online time. :( Especially with so many shiny fun things right now!

There's lots of great meta coming out about BSG's 'Razor' (and I am not going to get sick of talking about that any time soon!) and also the funniest deleted scene I've ever heard of needs to be giggled over. I mean really. *blinks* All the time we were enduring the Quadrangle of Doom and flinging insults at each other's factions, we should really have been blaming Tigh? *lolz* Nice plan, Cylon master! :D

Sorry. I know there's some interesting meta in there somewhere--about Kara and Tigh and how they're paralleled and I did find it interesting that they scripted Kara as having an experience where she was initially mocked for sleeping with Lee--I do think that would have been quite difficult for her to deal with when she was already freaking out. But... but... I still find it hard to think straight about it for the FUNNY. Thankfully sasa_hq provided me with the appropriate giggle-outlets here and here.

Kara, honey, next time you need relationship advice, please to be asking someone other than Mr I-killed-my-wife-and-am-an-alcoholic-Cylon.

As if BSG fandom wasn't entertaining enough, SV is all geared up for a Lana-centric episode that will no doubt be controversial and I still can't get over the fact that Clark may be about to CLONE HIS OWN MOTHER. There's a cool post here about Lana--still the best comm name ever. ;)

In sadder news, the latest draft of my latest vid went pfft and I have to do it all over. :( Boo! But I am close to finished and if I wasn't in such a silly mood would be vidding right now.

Finally this is the best anonymous comment I have ever received. :D

Comments

[mskatej.livejournal.com]

I love our Lana comm. *glows*

I also love that anon comment. LOLZ.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Hi darlin'! I'm on to that beta tonight. PROMISE. *is slow*
And yeah, our Lana comm? Made of awesome.

[brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com]

Damn, I'm sorry to hear about the vidding woes :( Will you be able to recreate it quickly?

I looked at the text in that deleted screen script and had a literal WTF? moment. It made my head hurt, trying to comprehend what on earth was going on - and it also didn't do a lot to endear characters to me :P It does play into the "Anders is better for Kara" school of thought though. *sighs*

I'm sooo tempted to waste a few evenings putting together an attempt to do a humourous picspam in the format "A Tale of Two Pilots..."

I'd watch that continental coffee comment though - I've seen Three Colours: Blue. You're supposed to add your coffee to vanilla ice cream, which means you won't lose weight but you will get to eat more ice cream.

[asta77.livejournal.com]

I had a WTF moment too. I just couldn't see Kara blurting that out to Tigh of all people. I have to wonder if the writers worked backwards. By that I mean that they knew how they wanted Tigh and Kara to interact with each other once they were back on Galactica, needed a bonding scene set up the new closeness, and thought what better way then have the guy in the frakked up relationship give advice to someone juggling two frakked up relationships. But Kara holds so much in, we're not even sure she's told Lee and Adama about her childhood, that I don't buy her sharing such a huge moment and decision in her life with Tigh. My take was always she woke up, freaked out, and went running off to find Anders and drag him to the alter...or river...to avoid analyzing it all.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Same, and I'm glad they cut it. (But that's not going to stop me laughing! *g*)

[brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com]

It seems like such a completely surreal thing for her to do. Tigh??? I mean... Tigh??? At least it wasn't Hot Dog...

I like your idea abou tit being a writers device to support what they'd built up later on - I think I'd have liked to have seen a scene post-Exodus where Tigh found out where Kara had actually been, because Torn felt "off" to me; I could understand Tigh sweeping up Tyrol or someone similar into his 'you're not a real man unless you were down in the dirt of the trenches with us' party, but no-one in the Resistance had seen Kara for months, and she didn't have any outward signs of being tortured like Tigh, so where's the connection?

You've got me wondering if perhaps this was also a scene forced by LDYB - I remember it floating around the blogosphere that RDM had said they filmed the ending for LDYB with no idea how they were going to start S3, just a vague confidence that if they were renewed, the writers could sort it all out. Having had Tigh and Kara hugging like best friends out of the blue in LDYB II needed some sort of explanation, which adds to your argument.

I've tried various ways of looking at why Kara ran away, but I'm conscious that I don't have anything like the grasp of her character I feel I have of Lee - and the way S3 rolled out, I eventually went with "we need a reason to keep them apart for another season" and filed it as a slightly less extreme version of the "I took an oath" scene that came completely out of left field in TEOJ. I know it did feel in-character for Kara to commit to a course of action completely, even a stupid one, without looking back; she throws everything into whatever she's doing at the time. I guess it's a scene that's never going to work for me because while I like a degree of ambiguity, it felt like going to extremes after so little explanation.

[asta77.livejournal.com]

but no-one in the Resistance had seen Kara for months, and she didn't have any outward signs of being tortured like Tigh, so where's the connection?

And you would have thought there would have been more questions as to who she was with, what she might have shared with the person or persons she had contact with, etc. Given how suspicious people had grown of each other, and not without reason, it seemed off that Kara was so readily accepted back into the fold.

Having had Tigh and Kara hugging like best friends out of the blue in LDYB II needed some sort of explanation, which adds to your argument.

That probably threw me more than anything else did in the time jump. Lee and Kara tense with each other? No surprise. Lee and Kara not seeing eye to eye and taking it personally? Again, no surprise. Even Kara living on NC wasn't a total shock. But she and Tigh hugging?!?! And, yes, that definitely needed to be explained, but there could have been better ways to do it.

I've tried various ways of looking at why Kara ran away, but I'm conscious that I don't have anything like the grasp of her character I feel I have of Lee - and the way S3 rolled out, I eventually went with "we need a reason to keep them apart for another season" and filed it as a slightly less extreme version of the "I took an oath" scene that came completely out of left field in TEOJ.

Marrying Anders like she did seemed a bit rash even by Kara Thrace standards, but I could rationalize it. The night she slept with Lee and they declared their love in a ridiculous fashion, for a moment, she had it all and was happy. Lee was planning a life for them together. It wasn't until the next morning that the reality of everything hit her and, I felt, it terrified her. Now, believing herself the screw-up, unworthy of love, who only leaves disaster in her wake - Zak died, in part, because of her actions and love for him - the only way she could see to protect herself and Lee was to do something so hurtful that he wouldn't and couldn't be with her. Of course, she didn't really think that plan out because she lost her best friend for over a year.

The scene in EoJ was very problematic for me, probably because of my views on hypocrisy in religion. She couldn't get a divorce because she'd be sinning in the eyes of the gods, but she can be unfaithful to her husband and hurt three people in the process and that is OK? I wasn't happy with Lee in all this, but at least his plan was to leave Dee and stop the lies.

[brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com]

And you would have thought there would have been more questions as to who she was with, what she might have shared with the person or persons she had contact with, etc. Given how suspicious people had grown of each other, and not without reason, it seemed off that Kara was so readily accepted back into the fold.
It really did. I did wonder if they were going to try and create a connection along the lines of Tigh becoming close friends with Kara as a form of over-compensation for the loss of Ellen, but then if they were going to use Ellen as a means of character evolution from Tigh, I'd have expected to see some resentment on some level from Tigh towards Anders over the death of Ellen, and instead other than briefly in Collaborators, the two were never on screen together. Failing to explain why Tigh and Kara are such good friends is a frustrating thing - just like not showing us the first encounter between Lee and Kara post-NC.

But she and Tigh hugging?!?! And, yes, that definitely needed to be explained, but there could have been better ways to do it.
I'd hoped that the deleted scene would explain it all, but instead it makes things seem even more bizarre - if that's not why they were suddenly so pally, why were they? In fact, given that in LDYB Tigh settles on NC on the eve of the Cylon invasion, how did Kara and Tigh even get to talk to each other, let alone bond? After all, UB showed that she'd been down on the planet for some time even at the groundbreaking ceremony.

Now, believing herself the screw-up, unworthy of love, who only leaves disaster in her wake - Zak died, in part, because of her actions and love for him - the only way she could see to protect herself and Lee was to do something so hurtful that he wouldn't and couldn't be with her. Of course, she didn't really think that plan out because she lost her best friend for over a year.
I think one of the reasons I resent having to try and rationalize out that scene is that I have trouble imagining Kara ever being terrified of Lee, and that's how most people explain it away. The problem with arguing that she considers herself to leave disaster behind when she loves people is that she evidently had no fear of that impacting on Anders - if the comments about her loving both of them (or even Anders more, as Katee seemed to indicate) are true, why is she not terrified of destroying Anders? In Collaborators, we see Kara moving away from him in what she evidently feels is the best move for him, but I have some difficulty with the idea that she's afraid of causing Lee harm... so she decides to put herself in a position to harm Anders instead. Alternatively, if it's a case of she doesn't actually hold Anders in enough regard to worry about compared to Lee, then I really like this theory.

The scene in EoJ was very problematic for me, probably because of my views on hypocrisy in religion. She couldn't get a divorce because she'd be sinning in the eyes of the gods, but she can be unfaithful to her husband and hurt three people in the process and that is OK? I wasn't happy with Lee in all this, but at least his plan was to leave Dee and stop the lies.
That's one of the big issues I have with that scene - the other being the reaction a lot of the fanbase had to TAB; it didn't seem at all out of character for Lee to call her on her offer to see if she was serious or not - she had already run away once, and then flat-out refused to commit to him again on religious grounds to go with whatever she'd been feeling/reacting to in UB - but a lot of people reacted as if Lee were just being deliberately abusive and pushing her away. I tend to agree with Boppy - I don't think it was at all unreasonable for Lee to basically ask "how do I know you're serious this time?" based on past evidence. If nothing else, I'd be inclined to ask the same question after all the whiplash-inducing changes of temprement characters seemed to go through in S3.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Relatively quickly--i.e. when I grab time at home. At the moment work is eating my life. I hope this weekend I will finish vid. *nods*

It made my head hurt
Haha yes. I read it when I was drunk first and am kind of glad I did because you could sum up my reaction as: HUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA *has no further deep thoughts* wisteria_ can testify to this--I think she got some drunken messages of me just randomly laughing.

It does play into the "Anders is better for Kara" school of thought though. *sighs*
It does?! How?! Not from where I'm standing. I mean if you take TIGH's word for it, maybe... honestly that scene didn't change a lot for me. I'm glad it got cut because I think it was daft and unnecessary but other than that, meh.

humourous picspam in the format "A Tale of Two Pilots..."
HUMOUR GOOD.

You're supposed to add your coffee to vanilla ice cream, which means you won't lose weight but you will get to eat more ice cream.
Affogato! I LOVE THOSE. But you're right--ice cream will not help weight. :(

[brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com]

Relatively quickly--i.e. when I grab time at home. At the moment work is eating my life. I hope this weekend I will finish vid. *nods*
That's definitely good :D Want a beta? *hopeful* when I was working with WMM2, I got into the habit of saving after adding each clip, and keeping a little notebook with the name of every clip I used and it's framelength, because WMM2 died so often or corrupted files so often. Not fun.

Haha yes. I read it when I was drunk first and am kind of glad I did because you could sum up my reaction as: HUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA *has no further deep thoughts* wisteria_ can testify to this--I think she got some drunken messages of me just randomly laughing.
You realise that's a hugely entertaining image? ;) Maybe what we didn't see with that scene was Kara bumping into Adama first and having some of his New Caprican whacky wheat before then bumping into Tigh...

It does?! How?! Not from where I'm standing. I mean if you take TIGH's word for it, maybe... honestly that scene didn't change a lot for me. I'm glad it got cut because I think it was daft and unnecessary but other than that, meh.
It's more in the vein of "when pushed into making a conscious choice by an outsider, Kara jumps for Anders... not just when she has to make a decision on her own." I'm having a depressing week, that always makes me maudlin.

HUMOUR GOOD.
What's putting me off is the fact I know I'd end up being nasty to some characters, and I don't want to be that guy again. You know the sort of thing - every picture of Anders would imply that his line is basically "I R teh miss her!" and suchlike.

Affogato! I LOVE THOSE. But you're right--ice cream will not help weight. :(
Is that what they're called? I shall remember that - although it seems mean to mix good ice cream with coffee. now, if I could persuade Waitrose to bring back their organic lemon curd clotted cream ice cream, I'd have a 902 waistline and rising...

Someone needs to make calorie-free ice cream to go with calorie-free chocolate. In the interests of world peace.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Want a beta? *hopeful*
Ohh, thank you for offering! I actually ran it past my SV beta already but more beta is most welcome. If you don't mind the sneak-peak, unpolished version, I'll email you the linky. It's an export of the version of the vid I lost--so the up side of that is if there are things to be fixed in it I don't have to recreate them--just start afresh. ;)

what we didn't see with that scene was Kara bumping into Adama first and having some of his New Caprican whacky wheat before then bumping into Tigh...
That could explain a lot.

It's more in the vein of "when pushed into making a conscious choice by an outsider, Kara jumps for Anders... not just when she has to make a decision on her own." I'm having a depressing week, that always makes me maudlin.
I understand--but I do think you're putting a very negative spin on it there. To me the fact that Kara mentioned it to ANYone indicates that she was thinking of staying--I mean, didn't Lee say 'we'll wake up and tell everyone'? Of course she chose badly in telling Tigh first--he makes her feel like a screw-up again by laughing at her. And of course then she's got her pride to preserve and so she listens to her fear (it makes sense to me that Kara would have morning jitters) and takes drastic measures. Since none of that has anything to do with Anders, i'm fine with it. It's FAR better than her waking up and being all 'omgwtf, must run back to handsome boyfriend'.

Just borrow my cheery attitude about this! And omg, you just made me take that episode SERIOUSLY. Evil you!

- every picture of Anders would imply that his line is basically "I R teh miss her!" and suchlike.
Ah. In that case no. If I had the time, I'd do it instead...

organic lemon curd clotted cream ice cream
*brain explodey* THAT EXISTED?!

Someone needs to make calorie-free ice cream to go with calorie-free chocolate. In the interests of world peace.
TRULY.

[brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com]

Ohh, thank you for offering! I actually ran it past my SV beta already but more beta is most welcome. If you don't mind the sneak-peak, unpolished version, I'll email you the linky. It's an export of the version of the vid I lost--so the up side of that is if there are things to be fixed in it I don't have to recreate them--just start afresh. ;)
:D I'd love to! I'm not sure if I'll be as much help as someone who's seen all of SV, but I'd love to be able to help :)

That could explain a lot.
It makes as much sense as anything else in that scene :P

Since none of that has anything to do with Anders, i'm fine with it. It's FAR better than her waking up and being all 'omgwtf, must run back to handsome boyfriend'.
Aye. It's best to ignore me when I'm being maudlin ;) I'm just too used to assuming everything comes down to Anders. Thanks to TPTB leaving Kara's reasons for abandoning Lee so completely vague, and never having her explain anything about it in character, I always tend to assume the worst of any possible situations as the baseline.

Just borrow my cheery attitude about this! And omg, you just made me take that episode SERIOUSLY. Evil you!
Definitely evil me. It's the whole being sad and emo about my ship - makes me take even ridiculous things seriously. *offers crunchie*

Ah. In that case no. If I had the time, I'd do it instead...
It's one of those things - I want to do something upbeat and funny, but I know it's a short step from funny to bitchy, and I want to be damn careful to avoid that - there's enough negativity sloshing around without that. Although oddly, I'm happy with my rough notes on implying the reason that Kara had to leave the Pegasus was because the fleet couldn't have two Commanders sleeping with their XOs at the same time...

*brain explodey* THAT EXISTED?!
It still does - it just isn't carried by our branch of Waitrose :( It's gorgeous - ice cream so good you have to eat it with a teaspoon...

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

It's the whole being sad and emo about my ship - makes me take even ridiculous things seriously. *offers crunchie*
I do this too, but I recommend alcohol! *offers evidence of its ability to zen one out about pilot!doom*

I'm happy with my rough notes on implying the reason that Kara had to leave the Pegasus was because the fleet couldn't have two Commanders sleeping with their XOs at the same time
Yeah, too cliched! ;) Hee!

ice cream so good you have to eat it with a teaspoon...
I eat ALL ice cream with a teaspoon. :D It makes it taste nicer. *nods*

[brokenmnemonic.livejournal.com]

I do this too, but I recommend alcohol! *offers evidence of its ability to zen one out about pilot!doom*
I actually have a bottle of Kirsch in my desk that's been there for a year or so, unopened. Not allowed to drink at work :P I can buy chocolate, though...

Yeah, too cliched! ;) Hee!
And you just know that there's enough shocked/angry/disturbed pictures of Adama and Tigh to have each one following with a "what the?" comment ;)

I eat ALL ice cream with a teaspoon. :D It makes it taste nicer. *nods*
I do with the good stuff. Sainsburys here have just started doing a really, really nice strawberry cheesecake ice cream...

[latteaddict.livejournal.com]

I'm still not really sure how to take the deleted scene. On a completely basic level it is amusing and silly and odd.

But if Kara's decision was influenced by Tigh at all then Lee had no chance. Tigh has always clashed with Lee and yet he liked Anders right from the start (re: drinking scene and laughing at Sam's lame jokes).

And I think I'm glad they ultimately cut it because realistically, I don't think Lee would've stayed naked and cold for that many hours without waking up for Kara to drink a bottle with Tigh and then get married an entire hour before Lee made it back to camp. Seems a bit too much of a stretch to me.

I do hope it's on the boxset though, as well as the one Jamie mentioned about Lee and Kara being honourable with each other.

Do you think we might get all the outtakes for pilot!sex too?

I'm still behind on Smallville...must catch up!

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Amusing/silly/odd? Yes, I concur. *g*

Tigh has always clashed with Lee and yet he liked Anders right from the start
Yup. Of course Tigh would never support Lee, and if Kara actually did blurt this out then I feel like she's smart enough to know Tigh's not pro-Lee. So then you'd have to start wondering if she was just looking for someone else to push her in the direction she was already going.

I agree with you that it makes the timeline even more silly. I mean I can see Lee being a little wiped after the crazy sex (*smirk*) but not THAT wiped. *has faith in his endurance*

, as well as the one Jamie mentioned about Lee and Kara being honourable with each other.
I want that one more!

Do you think we might get all the outtakes for pilot!sex too?
If only!

[asta77.livejournal.com]

All the time we were enduring the Quadrangle of Doom and flinging insults at each other's factions, we should really have been blaming Tigh?

I know! It might have been in response to Wisteria's post that I posited that if Tigh had encouraged Kara to stay with Lee things would have been very different. I'm thrilled the scene was cut for many reasons, mostly because I just don't see Kara blurting THAT out to Tigh of all people. And I never felt that outside Lee, Kara, and their rightly suspicious spouses, no one knew what happened between the two. Good editing Ron! :)

And because you are having horrible vidding woes I shall forgive you for not commenting on my 'Razor' thoughts yet. ;p

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Yeah it's always a little comforting to see that the deleted scenes have been deleted for GOOD REASON. Not always the case, admittedly, but nice when it happens. :D

And I am SO THERE for your post! I nearly mentioned it here in an OMGASTA77HASPOSTEDMETAMUSTREAD way but then I wondered if it was locked? Anyways, I will be there soon soon, promise! *manic*

[asta77.livejournal.com]

One of the things that sucks about seeing Razor early is not being able to share our thoughts with everyone. I wanted to rec your post too! And check out the posts of some people who commented on your post. Come Monday night we can all unlock though. ;-)

[allzugern.livejournal.com]

Ahaha! That's a great WTF? comment :-)

I still can't get over the fact that Clark may be about to CLONE HIS OWN MOTHER.

Is that not the absolute and final proof that Clark and Lex are MADE FOR ONE ANOTHER?????? We know Lex will be creating his love child with Clark in the future :-)

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Absolutely! :D They just need to confess to each other their secret desire to clone and all will be happily ever after... with clones. :D

[bluemeridian]

Even I can think of better places to get relationship advice than Tigh. Of course, it's Kara doing the asking, so perhaps she doesn't have the best perspective on the topic.

I thought it rather odd when watching that he'd apparently been so dead to the world that he didn't notice her leaving his side for, what, 2 hours? Surely someone would have come along to warm him up by then.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Surely?! Seems very odd to us too. What's next? We find out Lee got sex advice from Ellen?! Actually no, that's still not as funny.

[bluemeridian]

Eh, I see Ellen jumping at the chance to give Lee sex advice, then offering a hands on tutorial. I really can't see Kara taking advice from Tigh unless she was dead drunk at the time (he had never stopped drinking, so one can safely assume he was less than sober, per usual) and emotional crises definitely don't correlate to drunkenness.

Actually, Lee waking up to find himself cuddled with a still drunk/hungover Ellen who found him laying there all alone... now that would be funny. Or horrifying. Or both.

[kristiinthedark.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I can see why that comment was anon... except really not.;P

and thank you for sharing the deleted scene! That is awesome, indeed!

Good luck at work!

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Hee! I laughed so hard, little k! I wish I got comments like that every day. TOO funny!

[skuf.livejournal.com]

The other day, someone I don't know and who has an f-list of none and who doesn't look to be in fandom, commented on an old Truth or Dare meme of mine - like, from February. That was pretty wtf. But not funny like your anon comment - WHO DOESN'T WANT TO LOOK EUROPEAN :oP ??

Argh about your vid draft, that sucks!

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes, it's weird when you randomly get a comment like that on an old post. But this person clearly knows me--they mention coffee and being a suave European? WIN!

Thanks about the vid sympathy--though you so will regret that when you see what it is. :p

[dianora2.livejournal.com]

I did find it interesting that they scripted Kara as having an experience where she was initially mocked for sleeping with Lee

See, I didn't see it as him mocking her for sleeping with Lee so much as mocking her for being such a screwup as always. Like, wow, could you have done something more spectacularly stupid and amusing to those of us on the sidelines? But thinking about Tigh, you are probably correct. He's not exactly Lee's biggest fan. Ultimately, while I'm glad we got to see the text, since I've always wondered about that scene, I think it's for the best that it was left out.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's my verdict too--interesting to see but good it was left out. Clearly Tigh does not admire Lee's arms as much as we do! :D

[bluemeridian]

The man obviously has questionable taste. I mean Ellen.

[talitha78.livejournal.com]

the latest draft of my latest vid went pfft and I have to do it all over.

I am impressed by how well you're taking this setback. *applauds*

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

It helps that I'm not invested. ;) But I do like my little vid and am super keen to finish this weekend--your feedback has totally buffered me from feeling that down about it. Thank you!

[talitha78.livejournal.com]

your feedback has totally buffered me from feeling that down about it

Oh, good!

[deaver.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha. That is the best deleted scene ever. Actually, any Kara and Tigh bonding together in bad relationships moment is a good scene! They are the best comic relief.

Oh, man, that anon. comment is horrid!

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Oh, do you think the anon. comment is horrid?! I honestly found it very amusing! Perhaps I was just in a good mood from the silly Kara & Tigh scene.

[siljamus]

That scene is just WTF on so many levels and I shall need time, and then more time to get my poor little brain to wrap around it. Until said time I will just join you in giggling for extended periods of time (and maybe go nag Dionusia to write us crack of the very best kind ;)

Creative work going pfft is very bad *hugs you*

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes, giggle! *giggles* I'm waaay behind on everything due to returning to work but shall catch up on it all this weekend. Oh, and must email you! *nods*

[siljamus]

Oh, and must email you! *nods*

I have sent one your way. I do believe I've earned an evening in front of the box with my DVD :D

[lunar47.livejournal.com]

I can't stop laughing at the Tigh & Kara scene. Oh Tigh *sigh*

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

TOO FUNNY!

[daybreak777.livejournal.com]

Oh noes! You lost a vid draft! You lost some vids last year too when your hard drive crashed, right? But then you got a better a computer so maybe there's a silver lining to this too. I hope so!

There is a Lana is Okay community? Yay! Because though I don't know her well, from what I've seen she really is okay. And very interesting right now.
*off to join community*

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Yup, I have a history of losing vids. One day I shall be rich and have more memory. *wishes*

Join comm! Join comm! We started it in response to all the 'Lana should die' comms which were really ugly and horrible. I mean it's one thing to dislike a character, it's another to spend your time thinking up ways for them to die. *boggles* Besides. Lana really IS ok. And totally interesting and morally grey right now. :)

[smact46.livejournal.com]

While I can't say that I am not glad that they cut it out, I'm glad to see this scene because it explains Tigh's closer relationship with Kara, but the idea of Saul mother frakker tigh giving out relationship advice makes me crack up - I'm not sure what is more disturbing the fact that he gives it, or the fact that Kara *takes* it (the advice) from him at this point in time, (given their past history) or the choice that Kara ultimately makes which is cruel to both Lee and Sam, not to mention herself.

In all seriousness, I think Kara had *really* already made up her mind the moment she woke up, headed back to camp, and left Lee naked and asleep expecting to wake up to an entirely different set of circumstances than to wake up alone and finding out that Kara had actually married Sam. Still gives me chills.

As someone else pointed out though (please forgive me - I have forgotten who it was) it does sort of help explain why Kara just made her decision and never looked back - good soldier that she is. Makes me think again about the recurring military themes of BSG that razor recently highlighted for me again re decision making, accountability and how people live with the decisions that they make and even reinterpret them - possibly. I mean Kara's refusal to divorce Sam on religious grounds may well stem from her *beliefs* but they are just thoughts, thoughts can be distorted. They may have just been a way to also help Kara live with the decision that *she* had made.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

I think Kara had *really* already made up her mind the moment she woke up, headed back to camp
Yeah, I think so too and I think it's more powerful as an unvoiced action, an instinctual fear response.

re decision making, accountability and how people live with the decisions that they make and even reinterpret them - possibly. I mean Kara's refusal to divorce Sam on religious grounds may well stem from her *beliefs* but they are just thoughts, thoughts can be distorted. They may have just been a way to also help Kara live with the decision that *she* had made.
Mmm, oh, i love that analysis! Yes! You're right that it does tie into these themes of being able to make a firm decision and stand by it and whether the actions matter more than the intention--which are we judged by?

I guess you've got Lee who is capable of making very firm decisions as a commander, but waffles in his personal life. And Kara who makes very firm decisions in her personal life and never looks back, but who would struggle (I believe) to make the sort of calls we saw Lee make in Razor.