Smallville 8.11 Legion
Jan. 17th, 2009 05:24 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Allison Mack's overwhelmingly bad acting meant this episode was not nearly as powerful as it could have been, no matter how atmospheric the lighting, set design, costuming and special effects are. It was a pity because Davis's performance was as excellent as always. I did like the reveal that the attraction was 'just a program' Brainiac had been running. Wow, mind fuck! I got through the rest of that scene by admiring his torso. What? It's what it was there for.
I did do a little dance of joy at the line 'we've never heard a thing about any Chloe Sullivan'. I admit it. However, I never for one moment thought she would wind up dead. Clark would never allow it. I was somewhat staggered to see that he considered it even briefly, but then I like to remember that Chloe was the one who advocated killing Lex, so really... karma, anyone?
SOOOOO FRIGGING ANNOYED that she knows his secret again! Arrrrrrghhhhhhhh. The writers threw away a massive opportunity there. Grrrrr.
I was rather indifferent to the Legion. I'm not versed in the 31st Century Legion characters so I can't say if they lived up or down to expectations. I rather enjoyed Rokk, found Garth annoying and thought Irma had the most going on. I really liked the actress's presence and particularly her voice. It conveyed an alien stillness very effectively.
I did find the plotting kind of hilarious. They just happen to show up on the day that Clark defeats Brainiac (a day of which they know the date but apparently no other details), minutes after Doomsday whisks Chloe away? o.O And their code was 'don't touch anything'? A code they immediately ignore. Hmm. Not filling me with faith, dudes!
I was a bit underwhelmed by Brainiac being turned into a giant paperweight. And while the Legion did seem awfully friendly, I don't think I'd have been letting them have Brainiac so quickly... yeah, yeah, we (the audience) know they're good, and the shoutout about Brainiac 5 was intended to reassure, but if I was Clark, I'd be thinking twice before handing over the dude I'd defeated twice
before to some folks who'd just shown up from the 31st century? Brainiac + 31st century sounds like a dangerous combo to me, and the Legion had been so, er, flaky, with their 'code' that I'm not sure I'd be trusting their good intentions to prevent any mishaps. Harrumph.
They did give Clark a lot to think about.
Lana was the strongest presence in this episode for me. I really liked her reaction to Clark telling her to 'get some rest'. I know he means well but he is not the only one who can help, nor is he the only one who wants to. What I found weirder was her 'I'm a different person now' line. I'm not quite sure where the writers were coming from there. While I buy that Lana has grown a lot in her time away from Clark, I could have imagined the same exchange (minus the 'I'm different' line) happening with them before she went away. Was it a reference to the darker aspects of her plot in Season 7? I was unclear.
Way more intriguing for me than the Legion telling Clark he'd have immense interplanetary influence, was Irma telling Lana that she's read stories about her and the incredible things that she'll go on to do. Wow. Very interesting framing too, saying that she's overcome hardships. It's fascinating that that's respected in the future because I feel like Lana's journey has felt like a private one in Smallville so far. The talk of her sacrifices was intriguing too.
I really liked that after Irma told Lana she'd be part of making Clark the hero others look up to, Lana demonstrates her influence by being absolutely adamant that she would never encourage him to kill anyone, and indeed talking him out of the idea that killing Chloe was a possibility.
I want to know what Irma saw when she read Lana's mind! And I thought telling her that she is remembered for a lot more than her relationship with Kal-el was AWESOME. Yay! Lana!destiny! Lana-solo destiny!? Bring it on! And I really want to know her 'secret' now.
Yes, there was a lot of Clana shippiness in this episode. It feels miiiiiiles away from the rest of the season and its Clois focus. But I really liked Lana's steadfast faith in Clark, and I admired her for saying that they write their destiny themselves. You could see Clark desperately needed those words and drew strength from her certainty. She felt very centred as a character. And wow, this made me REALLY wish that Lana was Clark's confidant/secret-keeper, not Chloe. In one episode she showed why she's far more worthy of that role.
ETA: Warning for Spoilers for BSG 4.11 in comments.
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Date: 2009-01-17 07:36 am (UTC)Oh my.. LOL. I have to say, I very much enjoyed watching her twirl her sweaty and evol mustache, but I also can admit that my dislike of the sameoldsameold Chloe banter and presence is at least partly to blame.
I did do a little dance of joy at the line 'we've never heard a thing about any Chloe Sullivan'.
I just read the absolute worst theory in the world about that. I can't even repeat it (here) because I don't want it to spread (even if it is just fannish speculation).
I was a bit underwhelmed by Brainiac being turned into a giant paperweight.
This is a CLASSIC boppy review line. LMAO!
Yes, there was a lot of Clana shippiness in this episode. It feels miiiiiiles away from the rest of the season and its Clois focus.
It really is miles away. I'm beginning to think it's a good thing they don't have Lois and Lana in the same episodes (as much as that really disappointed me initially). I just don't trust tptb to be able to resist the temptation of making them competitors in one of their beloved triangles.
The Clark and Lana storyline will have it's clean end, and the Clark and Lois one will continue without that as a factor. This seems best.
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:21 am (UTC)I just read the absolute worst theory in the world about that
Oh I could hear the Chlois chorus in my head: 'that's because she IS Lois Lane'.
I think I'm also fine with the division of Lana and Lois time--I don't think TPTB are up to juggling the two in a sophisticated way. Let each have its space.
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Date: 2009-01-17 01:11 pm (UTC)Oh, I can totally understand that, but I think it was in Huzzlewhat's comments that someone expressed a wanky theory that completely was in line with my thinking about it. There is a "muscle memory" factor that would make a Chloe-inhabiting Brainiac still be influenced by her natural physical expressions. That kind of thing makes sense to me as far as her movements. Sometimes you just gotta embrace the wank! Or not. ;)
Oh I could hear the Chlois chorus in my head: 'that's because she IS Lois Lane'.
Actually, what I read was worse, or at least, equatable - from my perspective. :/
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Date: 2009-01-18 01:12 am (UTC)And wow, she's not going to become LANA, is she?!
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Date: 2009-01-18 01:33 am (UTC)However, the fact that Imra told Lana to her face that SHE has a destiny that is significant makes me think they wouldn't really do that. It sort of invalidates everything Imra said to Lana in this episode.
Honestly, I read that spec and all I could think was that that would be a deal breaker for me and this show.
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Date: 2009-01-18 01:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 08:02 am (UTC)Davis' torso is earning its keep, for reals.
The annoying thing about the secret (I'm glad she got it back, I didn't like erasing their memories), was that it was never explained how she got it back! Oh, Smallville. My brain so tries to make sense of you sometimes.
You found Lana the strongest prescence? Wow. I liked Lana, as always. She's grown up strong and well. Whatever life gives her, she can take it. But my TP of these two is really, really dead. I'm resigned and this was really a coda on it.
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:23 am (UTC)was that it was never explained how she got it back!
Hahhaha, I'm such a longterm fan I never expected an explanation for a second! ;) It comes, it goes... who are we to question these things? :p
I think maybe the Clana is at a stage where it's easier for non-shippers to see the lingering shippiness than for those who are really invested in it? You seem very aware of the closure, for me it feels like there's still a lot on the table.
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Date: 2009-01-17 02:51 pm (UTC)Boppy, hon. Unless there is sex on that table, I feel it's all over. :-) I'm pretty shallow about my needs on this show. It was just so clear that one year later, these two are not going to kiss anymore. I'm resigned to it. That part of their relationship is done.
I do like believing Lana having her own future, her own path. (The history books will write about her!) And who knows? You've watched this show longer than I have. Maybe those two have something but I doubt it. Lana still hasn't shared all her secrets and who she really is with Clark. So I don't know.
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Date: 2009-01-18 01:15 am (UTC)But I love Lana's own destiny thing. I'm excited.
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:16 am (UTC)As for the 'Legion', I too liked Rokk, but I thought Garth was cute for most of the episode and found Imra annoying after a while because of all the Lana fangirling. Once would've been fine but I felt they pushed it too much.
What I found weirder was her 'I'm a different person now' line. I'm not quite sure where the writers were coming from there. While I buy that Lana has grown a lot in her time away from Clark, I could have imagined the same exchange (minus the 'I'm different' line) happening with them before she went away.
I think when Lana said "she's changed", I could believe it. I actually found her different from s7.
I agree about the Clana feeling miles away. I felt more friendship vibes from Clark than anything romantic. Hopefully these two can stay friends at the end. It looks like it's possible.
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 08:46 am (UTC)With Chloe/Allison, she was successfully playing Evil, but she wasn't playing Brainiac very well, which was disappointing. She was just cold, vaguely-slinky evil rather than the specific character that we know.
I'm with you on finding Lana and Irma the most intriguing parts of the episode -- I'm very glad that they're setting up Lana as more than the girl Clark doesn't end up with. She's got her own thing.
And I really enjoyed that Clark was the inspirational figure for the Legion, both historically and then in his forthright ethical stance when he was confronted with their more ruthless point of view (and he and Lana had a great moment there).
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:48 am (UTC)Mmm, true. The vague sexiness really threw me. In no way was she Brainiac in my mind.
I'm very glad that they're setting up Lana as more than the girl Clark doesn't end up with. She's got her own thing.
Same! that's awesome. I agree that Clark as inspiration worked really well and he and Lana came over wonderfully in relation to the Legion.
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Date: 2009-01-17 08:59 am (UTC)She felt very centred as a character. And wow, this made me REALLY wish that Lana was Clark's confidant/secret-keeper, not Chloe. In one episode she showed why she's far more worthy of that role.
Boy, wouldn't it be nice if Smallville followed that up and really went there? I suppose they can't with KK having left and AM on full-time, but that sounds genuinely nice. :)
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Date: 2009-01-17 09:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 09:12 am (UTC)As you know, I don't watch Smallville (I used to, up until the season 2 finale, then I just kinda forgot to watch). Instead of coming here to discuss the episode of SV, I've come to infiltrate your post and ask you whether you've seen the new BSG episode. I was actually pretty OK with it. It was kind of like with Revelations, where it was really good and sat well for a couple days, but then you started thinking more critically and realized something was off.
But that is beside the point. My point being that there will probably be a need for an "In Defense of Lee Adama and His Romantic Choices" post soon. I would write it, but I don't understand Lee as well as you do.
And if you are dreading the episode too much, let me tell you that Lee was awesome and looked hotter than any man should be allowed to be. He's even more good looking than in 4.0. HOW CAN THIS BE?
*butts out*
;p
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Date: 2009-01-17 09:59 am (UTC)*flees*
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Date: 2009-01-17 06:52 pm (UTC)I was OK with it though. Then again, I haven't rewatched it yet, so that probably won't last too long. I remember I loved Revelations until I rewatched it a couple times, and then the OMGWTFTHISISRIDICULOUS factor kicked in. ;)
I will join your discussion (maybe) later, if I have anything to add. :p
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Date: 2009-01-18 01:02 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-18 01:51 am (UTC)I think that I may just have jumped the K/L ship, at least when it comes to the actual show. I'll still read fic and watch vids, but I'm just so... tired of rooting for them when nothing comes of it. Why should I set myself up for disappointment? Even if they get together, I don't think I'll be that happy or excited about it. I'll just be "that would've made their story even better if it had happened, y'know, 2 YEARS AGO OMFG."
Wow. Everything that made me love the show in the first place is gone now. The only thing I can still muster any lasting interest in is Lee. :/
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Date: 2009-01-18 02:07 am (UTC)This episode was a total deathknell for the Kara/Lee ship for me. However, I'm a lot less calm about it than you are. I'm angry, to tell you the truth. The ship meant a lot to me. I feel completely cheated. But like you, even if they get together now, I won't be happy or excited. I hate the show for destroying that.
Now they've just got to destroy Lee and the last tie is broken for me.
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Date: 2009-01-17 09:45 am (UTC)But I appreciate your thoughts, as always.
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Date: 2009-01-17 10:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 12:19 pm (UTC)And other than a few too many fawning lines from Saturn Girl, I really liked what I saw from Lana this episode. She acted like a good friend to Chloe in the first scene and an even better one for Clark in the later ones. I too am know looking forward to learning her secret. Still find it hard to believe I'll forgive her for dumping him with a video last year, but yes, she does seem to have grown since then. Looking forward to next week!
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Date: 2009-01-17 01:51 pm (UTC)I did also enjoy Lana, she needs to get her own destiny too. :)
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Date: 2009-01-18 12:37 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 01:54 pm (UTC)I don't like Lana, never have, but I didn't mind her at all in the episode and I like where she and Clark are now, so good stuff all around:)
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Date: 2009-01-18 12:22 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 02:52 pm (UTC)I do think Lana was wonderful, although I have to admit that I rolled my eyes just a smidge at Imra's pronouncement of how absolutely completely wonderful she was. Heh. But for the most part, I loved her steadfastness, her belief in Clark, and the fact that she'll have more to do than be Clark's ex-girlfriend.
I also loved Clark in this episode. I thought he was fabulous.
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Date: 2009-01-18 12:15 am (UTC)for the most part, I loved her steadfastness, her belief in Clark, and the fact that she'll have more to do than be Clark's ex-girlfriend.
That's what excited me the most. Yay!
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Date: 2009-01-17 03:46 pm (UTC)Cheers!
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Date: 2009-01-18 12:13 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 04:49 pm (UTC)Hmm. I didn't think it was bad, so much as it was off target. If she'd been playing a villain we hadn't seen before, I would have been quite impressed. It just didn't sync up with the prior portrayals of Brainiac. It was a lot of fun in a no-holds-barred, almost campy kind of way. I just... I think that AM is a talented actress, I just think that she didn't subjugate her own profile to the part. For all that he takes hits for on-the-job learning, I think Tom Welling has shown remarkable aptitude for playing different bad guys... Lionel, Red!K Clark, Bizarro, they were all distinct. This, on the other hand, just felt "generic bad guy" to me. Not that it wasn't a good generic bad guy, but I didn't love it the way I would have if it had been a one-off character, as with Erica Durance's turn as Faora.
I did like the reveal that the attraction was 'just a program' Brainiac had been running. Wow, mind fuck!
Yes, I loved that.
SOOOOO FRIGGING ANNOYED that she knows his secret again! Arrrrrrghhhhhhhh. The writers threw away a massive opportunity there. Grrrrr.
It seems to me, in retrospect, that the purpose the memory-altering served was to get it on record that it was something that Clark (with Jor-El's help, of course) was capable of, both in terms of the technical execution of it, and making the decision to do it. I suspect that it prefigures something they'll pull out in (or close to) the finale, and that they've done it here means that it won't be an out-of-nowhere solution.
Way more intriguing for me than the Legion telling Clark he'd have immense interplanetary influence, was Irma telling Lana that she's read stories about her and the incredible things that she'll go on to do. Wow.
I was extremely pleased to hear someone say that Lana, who too often is just The Love Interest, has value in and of herself, completely separate from her romantic entanglements. And I loved how KK played the reaction to hearing it, too — how much it meant to her that she's valuable as herself, not just as an accessory to Clark.
She felt very centred as a character. And wow, this made me REALLY wish that Lana was Clark's confidant/secret-keeper
I've wanted to see Lana in this role for a while — I loved their friendship/confidante vibe in the early days; how they could talk to each other. I loved seeing that come back... there was such a lovely feel to that final scene between them in this episode; it didn't feel, to me at least, as if it was leading up to anything romantic, just solid knowledge of each other and security. I could definitely stand to see more of that.
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Date: 2009-01-18 12:12 am (UTC)Hmm. To me, that shows her limitations as an actress because I feel that role required her to do so...
I didn't love it the way I would have if it had been a one-off character, as with Erica Durance's turn as Faora.
I do think her performance suffered badly from being very close in time to Erica's as Faora. And yes, Tom plays different bad guys very well too--Allison came off as far less capable in comparison to them.
something they'll pull out in (or close to) the finale, and that they've done it here means that it won't be an out-of-nowhere solution.
Oh GOD, they're going to mindwipe Lois aren't they? She'll find out the truth and then they'll mindwipe her? harrumph. I don't like the fact that they built in the Chloe mindwipe to make that plausible--but that's because I feel that the Chloe mindwipe is far more necessary and it just shows the writers didn't actually care about the issues with Chloe's character journey at all.
how much it meant to her that she's valuable as herself, not just as an accessory to Clark.
That was wonderful!
there was such a lovely feel to that final scene between them in this episode; it didn't feel, to me at least, as if it was leading up to anything romantic, just solid knowledge of each other and security. I could definitely stand to see more of that.
Me too. I think there was a flicker of romance still, but a much more mature form, and more the 'how do we evolve from lovers to friends' kind. I enjoyed it and I will be interested to see more.
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Date: 2009-01-17 06:52 pm (UTC)The Lana stuff was very interesting... but I had a hard time with the shippy for the reason you stated, it just seemed so far away and hasn't been the focus.
Davis is so made of win. And YUM. Hee.
Chloe being all evil, not-so-fun. It was weird and seemed to forced.
I don't very little about the Legion, but I didn't necessarily think bad of them or otherwise in this episode, I think for me it was "kinda of okay... but could've been better, oh well" I think Irma was my favorite out of the trio though.
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Date: 2009-01-17 11:31 pm (UTC)I agree. Why have it at all? For people who didn't like the idea it just made Clark look like an asshole. For people that did, it was tragically cut short... reads to me like the writers chickened out.
"kinda of okay... but could've been better, oh well"
That's about where I am with them.
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Date: 2009-01-17 10:11 pm (UTC)All I know is now I *really* want to know what she's been doing for the last seven months. I do really like the fact that they are setting it up so that Lana has her own destiny separate from Clark, though.
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Date: 2009-01-17 11:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-17 10:39 pm (UTC)On the other hand, I actually liked Lana in this episode, shockingly. So I don't have much to complain about. Why couldn't they write her like *that* all the time I really don't know.
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Date: 2009-01-17 11:28 pm (UTC)Lana was great. More like that!
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Date: 2009-01-17 10:57 pm (UTC)OK, I don't have anything against Allison at all, but with the general netiquette being that she must be praised to high heaven at all times? I find your response refreshingly awesome. I can't say anything about how she did 'cause I didn't watch, but I just had to give you props for not being afraid to be candid.
Would you say this section feels like episodes 7.21-7.24 so far, some weird mostly detached mini-arc in the middle of S8, or like part of S8? Your tag says Season 7, I wonder if that's a subconscious hint? ;) I'm guessing somewhere between the first two. I'm glad people liked this but previews for next week scare me. I think it'll either be good or horrific with no in between. I wish the writers thought Lois will be important to Clark's future, that'd be nice. Sounds like she's demoted back to third wheel though until freaking March. *suppresses urge to kick things*
Oh well, at least I can watch Erica in one of her new movies come February 1st since Smallville won't let her be on for a while. *shuffles off to pout*
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Date: 2009-01-17 11:26 pm (UTC)And oh, that's so funny about my tag! It does feel like late season 7 to me and that must totally have been subconscious! It feels like a very detached mini-arc.
And yes, I can't believe we have to wait until MARCH for Lois. WT...?
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Date: 2009-01-18 06:18 am (UTC)Like the actors who play Bond, have to have a certain charm, and at the same time "Don't mess with me" attidude about them. Because that's who Bond is.
Brainiac is not a sex-pot. James Masters may be one of those actors who has chemistry with a brick wall, but he certainly didn't act like he was trying to sexually seduce everyone he met
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Date: 2009-01-18 06:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-18 04:52 pm (UTC)See, I thought that it was obvious as soon as we found out that Chloe had Brainiac in her the one thing that kept me from saying it in my LJ last year (LAST YEAR!) was that I didn't want the Chloe worshipper to say that I was demeaning Davis' atrraction to her. Are people coming up with odd theories about the fact that Chloe isn't mentioned in the future at all?
Lana is really makinh her presence FELT this time around!
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Date: 2009-01-19 02:40 am (UTC)Apparently.
I didn't trust the SV writers to do anything as interesting as make Davis's attraction to Chloe a Brainiac program. ;)
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Date: 2009-01-20 10:22 pm (UTC)I actually thought Allison was great, especially because she looked like she was having a blast. I'll admit I didn't find her to be consistent with JM's Brainiac, but I still had fun watching her.
I loved the Legion. I've been steeping myself in Geoff Johns' comic book stories over the hiatus, and he gave them a seamless transition to the TV screen with this script. It was a thrill to see them come to life, and I was charmed by all three of them, especially Ryan Kennedy's Rokk.
I'm so new around here I think this may be the first Smallville review of yours I've read. Thanks for turning my perspective on the show on its head, you've given me a lot to think about.
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Date: 2009-01-21 08:56 am (UTC)And yes, expecting AM to be consistent with what we've seen of Brainiac recently set me up to be disappointed, I think.
This really wasn't the best introduction to my reviews, I think, but I'm glad you got something out of it anyway. I have had my ups and downs with Lana but I'm really liking the freshness of this arc.