Squeeing my way into 2007...
Jan. 5th, 2007 12:42 pmSo I've been on vacation mode and consequently have spent more than a normal amount of time in front of my ibook screen. Some of it was fannish catch-up; passing thoughts on various things cut-tagged below.
Peter was more bearable on second viewing, knowing that his plot goes somewhere. Mohinder was far less bearable knowing that his plot goes nowhere. Apparently I am intolerant of pointlessness. *g* Simone remains a very poorly written and implausible character, imo. I found myself enjoying Audrey and Matt more and Nikki a hell of a lot less. Rewatch only confirmed my opinion of her as a useless mother and a weak idiot. I really liked revisiting the scene where she visits DL's mother, since DL's mum tells it like it is: DL's a good guy and if he had access to 2 million, he'd have whisked his kid off to a heavenly life a long time before now.
I watched with a friend who warmed to Peter instantly and hated on Nathan. There was a lot of exclaiming and gesticulating at the screen about how Nathan was an unbearable asshole. It was most entertaining. *smug* She was getting sucked in by the end. ;-) Otherwise my reactions remained the same, but I picked up a lot more detail on rewatch and a lot of moments had far more resonance.
So, I've been meaning to put in the time with this show for some time, and yesterday I finally got a block of time to watch the first five eps. I'm hooked. But I'm still at the stage of finding it slightly odd that I'm hooked because there are a LOT of things that make me uncomfortable about this show. Firstly I don't really understand sports mentality. I especially don't understand how someone screaming in your face and telling you you don't deserve shit is a motivator to anyone. *scratches head* My reaction to someone yelling at me to do something is almost invariably a quiet 'no, fuck you very much' and instantly removing myself from the situation. So it's really hard for me to understand why these guys remain on the team. I keep reminding myself to 'factor in testosterone' to myself as I watch.
I don't really like any of the characters. Not completely. My favourites are probably the coach's family, the paralysed guy (simply because he hasn't done anything really horrible), the new Quarterback (gotta love an underdog) and (bizarrely) paralysed guy's best friend of extreme broodiness simply because he's so very hilariously fucked up. Everyone else increasingly annoys me--but in a very 'I must keep watching because you frustrate me so much I can't leave it hanging' kind of way. I especially hate the peppy cheerleader girl.
Other than that, my main reaction to the show so far has been overwhelming sadness. I'm not sure if this is intentional within the show or not, but I find it all so sad and bleak--this wasteland of a town and all these sad little people with their limited little lives. Imagine the best thing in your life being football! *shudders* And the religiousness squicks me out too and makes me even sadder for them--they are so desperate to believe that there's some meaning in their lives when clearly there is not. And a lot of the plots so far seem to be about extreme dysfunction with not even the glimmer of hope that things will improve. So it makes me very sad, and this seems at odds with the 'struggle against the odds' plot arc of the team rebuilding the season. But it does make it a whole lot more realistic and therefore at worst bearable, at best fascinating.
Hmmm. So, this show is very well made and I'm mesmerised by the performance of the lead actor, but serial killers are not really my thing. It's squicking me out but not in the way I expected it to. The whole 'serial killer with standards/as dispenser of justice' thing is interesting conceptual ground to cover. And Dexter is certainly fascinating and amusing--his self-awareness sells the character very well. However, I find myself very uncomfortable when Dexter's self-awareness falters. His relationship with his girlfriend is particularly hideous to me. So it's not the killing itself that squicks me out, so much as the deceit (and abuse) necessary to cover up his own peculiarities and pass as a 'normal' person. His relationship with his sister seems to have a core of genuine affection to it, whereas his relationship with his girlfriend is wholly repulsive to me--at least it seems so so far.
I imagine I'll watch a bit more, partly for the great performance, partly for curiosity, and partly because I like the character of Dexter's sister a lot. I hope we get more development for Deb. It's very early, so this show could hook me in despite the squicky, or it could trail off into something I'm not that interested in--not sure yet.
This has been wonderful holiday reading for me. It's been a long time since I first tackled this series, and I'm now reading on further than I have before. I'm somewhere in the middle of A Storm of Swords now, and thoroughly hooked (though I still recall
supacat's warnings about book 4). For now, I find myself enjoying most of the plots, though Jaime, Arya and Tyrion's sections are usually the most fascinating. Daenerys is interesting as well, but sometimes the politics of her plot get a bit tedious. Davos bored me a great deal until he was made Stannis's Hand--now that set-up intrigues me a little more. Jaime is probably the most intriguing character of all and I found myself totally sucked in by his plot in the first half of book 3--his absence in Book 2 was very powerful as well--the way other characters responded to him as a concept rather than his presence. Arya is my second favourite but I have no idea where her plot will go now that she's been revealed as a Stark again. The supernatural elements are intriguing me more than they did on first reading, if my foggy recollections are accurate. The most successful thing about the series for me so far is the way Martin shows characters caught up in a whirlwind of events beyond their control--twists in destiny that none could have predicted and seeing how they cope with that. Must. Read. More.
But there is so much more to watch and read! *stares at pile of DVDs and books accumulated over the Christmas break*
Peter was more bearable on second viewing, knowing that his plot goes somewhere. Mohinder was far less bearable knowing that his plot goes nowhere. Apparently I am intolerant of pointlessness. *g* Simone remains a very poorly written and implausible character, imo. I found myself enjoying Audrey and Matt more and Nikki a hell of a lot less. Rewatch only confirmed my opinion of her as a useless mother and a weak idiot. I really liked revisiting the scene where she visits DL's mother, since DL's mum tells it like it is: DL's a good guy and if he had access to 2 million, he'd have whisked his kid off to a heavenly life a long time before now.
I watched with a friend who warmed to Peter instantly and hated on Nathan. There was a lot of exclaiming and gesticulating at the screen about how Nathan was an unbearable asshole. It was most entertaining. *smug* She was getting sucked in by the end. ;-) Otherwise my reactions remained the same, but I picked up a lot more detail on rewatch and a lot of moments had far more resonance.
So, I've been meaning to put in the time with this show for some time, and yesterday I finally got a block of time to watch the first five eps. I'm hooked. But I'm still at the stage of finding it slightly odd that I'm hooked because there are a LOT of things that make me uncomfortable about this show. Firstly I don't really understand sports mentality. I especially don't understand how someone screaming in your face and telling you you don't deserve shit is a motivator to anyone. *scratches head* My reaction to someone yelling at me to do something is almost invariably a quiet 'no, fuck you very much' and instantly removing myself from the situation. So it's really hard for me to understand why these guys remain on the team. I keep reminding myself to 'factor in testosterone' to myself as I watch.
I don't really like any of the characters. Not completely. My favourites are probably the coach's family, the paralysed guy (simply because he hasn't done anything really horrible), the new Quarterback (gotta love an underdog) and (bizarrely) paralysed guy's best friend of extreme broodiness simply because he's so very hilariously fucked up. Everyone else increasingly annoys me--but in a very 'I must keep watching because you frustrate me so much I can't leave it hanging' kind of way. I especially hate the peppy cheerleader girl.
Other than that, my main reaction to the show so far has been overwhelming sadness. I'm not sure if this is intentional within the show or not, but I find it all so sad and bleak--this wasteland of a town and all these sad little people with their limited little lives. Imagine the best thing in your life being football! *shudders* And the religiousness squicks me out too and makes me even sadder for them--they are so desperate to believe that there's some meaning in their lives when clearly there is not. And a lot of the plots so far seem to be about extreme dysfunction with not even the glimmer of hope that things will improve. So it makes me very sad, and this seems at odds with the 'struggle against the odds' plot arc of the team rebuilding the season. But it does make it a whole lot more realistic and therefore at worst bearable, at best fascinating.
Hmmm. So, this show is very well made and I'm mesmerised by the performance of the lead actor, but serial killers are not really my thing. It's squicking me out but not in the way I expected it to. The whole 'serial killer with standards/as dispenser of justice' thing is interesting conceptual ground to cover. And Dexter is certainly fascinating and amusing--his self-awareness sells the character very well. However, I find myself very uncomfortable when Dexter's self-awareness falters. His relationship with his girlfriend is particularly hideous to me. So it's not the killing itself that squicks me out, so much as the deceit (and abuse) necessary to cover up his own peculiarities and pass as a 'normal' person. His relationship with his sister seems to have a core of genuine affection to it, whereas his relationship with his girlfriend is wholly repulsive to me--at least it seems so so far.
I imagine I'll watch a bit more, partly for the great performance, partly for curiosity, and partly because I like the character of Dexter's sister a lot. I hope we get more development for Deb. It's very early, so this show could hook me in despite the squicky, or it could trail off into something I'm not that interested in--not sure yet.
This has been wonderful holiday reading for me. It's been a long time since I first tackled this series, and I'm now reading on further than I have before. I'm somewhere in the middle of A Storm of Swords now, and thoroughly hooked (though I still recall
But there is so much more to watch and read! *stares at pile of DVDs and books accumulated over the Christmas break*
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Date: 2007-01-05 02:35 am (UTC)Other than that they're bloody brilliant. ;)
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:01 am (UTC)Now, I know you're probably scratching your head at this point and wondering what QoT is ON right now, as Jaime lost his hand and nearly died and blahblah, but ... BUT Jaime's moral journey is a journey from darkness into light, if you will, and I think that's symbolized by his dream when he follows Brienne's blazing sword. So, even if Jaime dies at the end of this saga (PLEASE let it be the end), there's something both compelling and heartening about his journey, because I think it's saying that you are not always lost or maybe that your most evil deeds do not necessarily define you? I dunno! Plus, Jaime retains his snark, which I LOVE!
Plus, Jon is raised to a high position and Dany faces treachery but she's learning how to be a good queen and Samwell is figuring out how they beat the Others with dragonglass and I find these are all rays of light in all the darkness.
(And OK, yes, there is the Red Wedding, but honestly, I'm mostly attached to Robb's direwolf because Robb is kind of an IDIOT, GAH! And although I feel incredibly sorry for Catelyn, she's not my favorite character!)
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:12 am (UTC)Friday Night Lights is one of the best written, acted, and produced shows on TV. The characters I feel are the most complicated and realistic of any show. But I never feel compelled to talk about it. Maybe because there is nothing to really analyze. And while I like all the charcaters, accept for Lyla because the actress just isn't very good, I can't say I love any of them...yet. There was a moment in this week's ep where I felt myself maybe falling for Matt a little. ;)
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:20 am (UTC)Robb and Catelyn are both a bit dumb, imo. They're goodhearted but boring and definitely lacking in genius. The wolves suck me in pretty much wherever they are. Bran and Jon are being about equally emo at the moment, which could become tedious but as long as their plots don't stagnate for too long I think I'll be ok.
Since I haven't read up to all the bits you mention it's a little hard to say more than that right now! But I am encouraged about Jaime being a major player in book 4. That should keep me going...
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:24 am (UTC)It certainly is incredibly realistic and that's hooked me in--it's indie-cinema-like in its realism and at least some of its production techiniques which is another major hook for me. And the complexity of the characters is starting to shine. I'm glad I'm not the only one who is enjoying it without having a 'loved' character yet.
I'll be interested to see what you think about Dexter. I was very impressed, but with a strong dollop of ambivalence still.
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:27 am (UTC)For now, suffice it so say that I think Jaime VERY definitely is made to suffer for a reason and I think his suffering helps him onto a path he would not perhaps otherwise have chosen.
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-05 03:40 am (UTC)I will look forward to reading your long posts on Jaime! :-D I am buoyed to continue.
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:51 am (UTC)Oh! And I wanted to make sure you got my birthday wishes.
http://serenography.livejournal.com/19456.html?mode=reply (http://serenography.livejournal.com/19456.html?mode=reply)
Hope it was a good one. *hugs*
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Date: 2007-01-05 03:52 am (UTC)Moreover, and this is hard for me to articulate exactly, but I love Jaime so much and his journey is such a believable and painful and poignant one for me (because believe me, I completely HATED him in the first book!) that I will forgive Martin almost anything for having created this one character.
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Date: 2007-01-05 04:14 am (UTC)Book 4 ... um, well, I know that the publishers made him split off A Feast for Crows and I believe book 5 (as yet unpublished) is going to be A Dance with Dragons (which was originally the title of book 4.) But unlike A Storm of Swords they were never published as one book. (Confused now?)
I'm not kidding when I say those posts are long. Or that I love Jaime more than I love EVEN LEE ADAMA! Yes!
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Date: 2007-01-05 04:21 am (UTC)the FNL coach is far easier on those guys, and nicer, than real h.s. coaches tend to be
Easier?! Nicer?! *falls over ded with shock* Actually the guys that get on the coach's case freak me out even more than the coach. But I guess they are all part of the same mentality set--negative feedback as motivator.
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Date: 2007-01-05 04:34 am (UTC)It's hard for me to imagine anyone loving Jaime more than Lee at this point in time. *clings to Lee* However, he IS entirely fascinating and original, and obviously I have a lot more to read of his journey!
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Date: 2007-01-05 06:45 am (UTC)I really liked Matt a lot until he went crazy with that bat on the car. And then I sighed and thought, ok, just another testosterone-driven dysfunctional kid. He's still more likeable than most, but he's frustrating me more now.
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Date: 2007-01-05 08:09 am (UTC)W/r/t Dexter, KEEP WATCHING. I had the same reaction you did to the first few episodes, thinking I would never be able to care about any of the characters, particularly not Dexter, but it gets much better as the season goes on, and surprisingly, it becomes incredibly heartwrenching. The season one story arc is perfect.
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Date: 2007-01-05 10:05 am (UTC)Nathan seems to have made a subtle shift from ep1 to 11 and I think the audience's perception of him [well those who weren't already concinced that he wasn't a complete jerk] changed as well. And that's quite the thing to see, I must say. I love it that the TPTB can make people hate a character and then make them sympathise with him.
Peter has been making his own journey but I agree about Mohinder. I feel as though his character has potential but his plot seems to have come in full circle, really.
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Date: 2007-01-05 02:13 pm (UTC)Which is not always the case with Lee, because, well, when RDM admits that they don't know what to do with him, that's not a good thing, you know?
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Date: 2007-01-05 04:53 pm (UTC)And yes, I hate the sport "values" where sportmanship is not encouraged and such things as honor, dignity, cooperation and respect are forgotten. So far FNL has indeed showed the dark side of sports very well, almost unintentionally, though. The same goes with what FNL depicts women's roles in sports as (or traditional roles in society/ life), or what viewers regognise as such, even if the viewers themselves were not familiar with such a (appalling) situation. Therein lies the danger, IMO: That the viewers just are shown a situation where things are as they are, and then viewers begin accept and expect it, rather than this division of roles be challenged and criticized, as it should be, and the viewers be given options. (In short I am agreeing with you.)
Later on in FNL I find it hard to stomach the... condescention with which women's sports/ role in sports in treated by the characters. Tami and Tyra are the only bright spots as they both challenge and bring to light the fact that sports, as depicted in FNL -and in rl-, are not just a positive. Also, I expect great things from Julie and the Coach/ Julie relationship/ dilemma where roles, expectations, conventions pull them both in different directions.
Here's hoping FNL don't let us down.
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Date: 2007-01-06 02:25 am (UTC)Among the long list of things that I'd like to see on the show is some purpose for Mohinder. I enjoyed the dream sequences in India, but I still don't sense much forward momentum in that plot
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Date: 2007-01-06 02:34 am (UTC)Yes, it certainly is more comforting when you feel that the creator knows exactly what they're doing with your loved character. Niccolo was like that for me. He's still my ultimate fictional character, I think, and the fact that Dunnett had him so masterfully in hand was exhilerating. Having faith in an author is a good thing. My faith in Martin is growing.
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Date: 2007-01-06 02:38 am (UTC)Therein lies the danger, IMO: That the viewers just are shown a situation where things are as they are, and then viewers begin accept and expect it, rather than this division of roles be challenged and criticized, as it should be, and the viewers be given options.
*nods* Yes, it's a fine line to tread. And when you have characters on the show being (for example) sexist, you can start to feel that the show itself endorses that viewpoint. So far, I haven't felt manipulated that way by FNL, but if it starts failing to deliver on its 'neutral lens' approach I'll feel let down. Though I must say I'm mostly very excited by it right now--I'm in that first flush of infatuation with a new show. *g*
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Date: 2007-01-06 04:06 am (UTC)THAT WAS THE SCENE THAT MADE ME LOVE JAIME FOREVER AND EVER!!! I love that he's going to let Brienne fight for herself, until he realizes that the fight's rigged so she can't win. And he still *tries* to be reasonable and offer a ransom for her, but then he just does something so JAIME-LIKE and jumps in there without any plan. And they BICKER. And he feels bad for the bear. And he's snarky but he risked his life for Brienne. And just EEEEEE!!!
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Date: 2007-01-08 06:18 am (UTC)ah I was hooked the moment he said "why the hell would I understand that you think you can fly" with so much annoyance in my voice, because that was just a logical thing to say! Plus I have propensity for going for the aloof, logical, unreadable characters on TV and in books: Nathan fit the bill exactly.
Among the long list of things that I'd like to see on the show is some purpose for Mohinder.
I think Mohinder would like that very much too. I wonder if the way we feel about him is supposed to be intentional? He really was quite aimless for the first half of the season and we felt he was aimless too which may have been the point :/
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Date: 2007-01-08 09:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-09 08:12 am (UTC)et tu boppy? *clings back*
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