SCC: pancake party
May. 19th, 2009 10:20 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
bop_radarDear All Five People on my F'list that Love SCC (*tongue-in-cheek*),
It has been rightly pointed out to me that rather than be angry at Fox or, even less directly, Dollhouse, we should listen to Josh Friedman, and find a way to come to terms with the horrible reality that Sarah Connor Chronicles has ended.
So I think we should have a party. With pancakes! To celebrate what was one of the best shows on television.
Sarah Connor fans are awesome, intelligent, passionate... but we don't always relax and just HAVE FUN with our show. So I am inviting you all over to have fun telling me what you love about the show, why you love it and what you're going to remember the most. Be sad, by all means, but let's make this an anger-free celebration zone.
Share your favourite pics, quotes, characters, episodes, fan creations, links here. Send other fans here. And love our show! Forever! We are the Resistance. Amen.
It has been rightly pointed out to me that rather than be angry at Fox or, even less directly, Dollhouse, we should listen to Josh Friedman, and find a way to come to terms with the horrible reality that Sarah Connor Chronicles has ended.
So I think we should have a party. With pancakes! To celebrate what was one of the best shows on television.
Sarah Connor fans are awesome, intelligent, passionate... but we don't always relax and just HAVE FUN with our show. So I am inviting you all over to have fun telling me what you love about the show, why you love it and what you're going to remember the most. Be sad, by all means, but let's make this an anger-free celebration zone.
Share your favourite pics, quotes, characters, episodes, fan creations, links here. Send other fans here. And love our show! Forever! We are the Resistance. Amen.
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Date: 2009-05-19 12:36 am (UTC)I loved Alison from Palmdale. I loved that entire episode.
And James Ellison. LOVED him. And I loved his relationship/dynamic with John Henry. I thought that was one of the most fascinating things about the second season. I felt there was an innocence about John Henry, something in the way he progressed that made me wonder whether or not Ellison could really teach him the value of human life and the difference between "right" and "wrong." And the scene where John Henry basically begs Ellison to stay with him so that he can finish painting his figures. It's such a childlike and human way to behave and I think it opened up a lot of questions. It was definitely the thing that I most looked forward to in the end.
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Date: 2009-05-19 12:39 am (UTC)John Henry alternately creeped me out, mesmerised and moved me. I loved the scenes with the dolls and especially the one where Savannah asked if the ducks could play. I also loved his game with her around the building, where he made the lights switch on and off. He opened up so many questions, didn't he? And that's a bit part of what I loved about this show.
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Date: 2009-05-19 12:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 12:41 am (UTC)But I'll share one thing I loved... I loved SCC's combination of heart and nihilism, pancakes and ... death. *g* (Yeah, I'm kind of weird!)
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Date: 2009-05-19 12:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-20 07:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 12:41 am (UTC)I loved John Connor, and I was so happy to finally see him come into his own, showing us glimpses of who "John Connor" will one day be.
Also, I love this amazing video: Breathe Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV-ybE7C0vs). It's frakking brilliant.
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Date: 2009-05-19 12:59 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 04:21 am (UTC)mmmm, pancakes
Date: 2009-05-19 12:44 am (UTC)Re: mmmm, pancakes
Date: 2009-05-19 01:25 am (UTC)Hang in there baby!
Date: 2009-05-19 01:05 am (UTC)I loved Sarah's transformation and conflict this year about whether she wanted to hold onto old Sarah, the waitress, or if she had to fully let her go and become more like Cameron in order to protect John, because being willing to sacrifice her physical form but not her emotional or moral one was not getting the job done.
I loved how John finally started to embrace that he WAS John Connor, as opposed to wanting a new identity in season 1, I loved how John-Henry was both fascinating and creepy as hell all in one scene, I loved Jesse's arc, and how much presence James Ellison had. I loved that Cameron kept secrets. I LOVED THAT I RESPECTED OUR SHOW, even when it broke my heart.
Re: Hang in there baby!
Date: 2009-05-19 01:28 am (UTC)Hee! Yes, she did.
had no ego about taking orders from a woman, that he would brush his teeth for 20 minutes, that he wanted to know where his brother was laid to rest and was put "in the grass" with him, and that he took John to meet baby Kyle.
Awww, Derek love! *co-signs*
And thank you for pointing out the growth in our characters--the show producers seem to have been very clear on the trajectory, emotionally, for each of the main characters.
I loved Jesse and will miss her.
I respected this show so much.
Re: Hang in there baby!
Date: 2009-05-19 01:42 am (UTC)I loved
I loved how the show made me think about situations in multiple uncomfortable ways, and that it didn't try to tell me which one of those ways was the RIGHT way. And I loved the Kyle dream, and how Jonathan Jackson just cries on cue. Also, I love pancakes and am going to have some right now.
Re: Hang in there baby!
Date: 2009-05-20 07:57 am (UTC)think about situations in multiple uncomfortable ways, and that it didn't try to tell me which one of those ways was the RIGHT way
Yes. I personally found that that resulted in me being able to be 'in' multiple characters' perspective simultaneously without feeling weird about it. Whereas on a show that is itself more biased textually, I find that I end up forced into a particular character or side in response (not always the one the show favours--my underdog predilection comes out!).
Your icon is adorable. All Reese men = win.
I may be back with goofier stuff later, but for now:
Date: 2009-05-19 01:14 am (UTC)I loved Sarah's Bad Bitchness, and the way it didn't preclude genuine tenderness and humanity. I loved John's struggle to find and be *himself* in the midst of everyone's expectations and threats. I loved the dichotomies that were Cameron: her ability to kick total ass and then go home and dance, and her utter loyalty to John that sometimes made her lie to and manipulate him. I loved Derek's jagged psychological edges and stone hotness. I loved that Ellison's response to learning about genocidal robots from the future involved both very normal, very human terror *and* a proactive attempt to stop the coming apocalypse. I loved that the Weavernator was, actually, a good ally for Ellison to have chosen, although not for the reasons he thought. I loved John Henry's learning curve, and I *loved* his friendship with Savannah.
I loved the way SCC featured genocidal robots in a post-new-BSG TV landscape without ever seeming derivative--because regardless of which franchise did genocidal robots first, it would've been *easy* for the modern-day Cylon concept to bleed into the realisation of the Terminators. But it *didn't*.
I loved that SCC took an action movie franchise I had zero interest in and turned it into a TV series that made me flail with glee on a regular basis.
I loved this show. ♥
Re: I may be back with goofier stuff later, but for now:
Date: 2009-05-19 01:31 am (UTC)*nods* That's a sure-fire way to hook me into a show (or throw me out of it, if it's misisng).
Story telling was always more important than angst, yes.
loved that the Weavernator was, actually, a good ally for Ellison to have chosen, although not for the reasons he thought.
That was such a cool reveal. I love that Ellison was very human in being blind to a reality far more complex than he realised.
I loved that SCC took an action movie franchise I had zero interest in and turned it into a TV series that made me flail with glee on a regular basis.
Hee! Yes. I love that it was that rarest of genres: intelligent action. Because I (can) love action movies, but I do wish that more of them were written with even a tenth of T:SCC's smarts and heart.
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Date: 2009-05-19 01:42 am (UTC)I loved that you never knew who was telling the truth, who was lying, what their various agendas were. I love that things would happen, then episodes later you found out something new - for instance, we knew Derek killed to try to stop the Turk from being built. We discovered later that it was his friend whom he killed.
I loved that John was very much a teenage boy becoming a man. Slowly growing into his purpose.
I loved that Sarah was a woman clinging to her humanity and her family by her fingernails.
I loved that Cameron was inching slowly toward humanity.
I loved Derek and his joy in simple things, but his determination to stick to the program.
I loved Jesse, poor messed up Jesse, who when she lost her child, lost so much more.
I loved Riley who was scared and just wanted to be safe.
I loved James Ellison and his (sometimes shaky) relationship with faith and God. One of the most spiritual characters on television.
I loved Savannah, who knew her Mommy was different, but learned to accept her differences, who accepted John Henry as a playmate, who had more spunk than most grown-up heroines in movies.
I loved Catherine Weaver - creepy, focused, ultra-efficient.
I loved John Henry. Very creepy. Very child-like. Because of his relationship with Savannah, because he experienced 'death' - I can see him working to the utmost of his abilities to save mankind.
I loved all of the various relationships between the characters. I loved that minor characters were brought back to play a part again, giving the show a certain richness.
I loved this show and will greatly miss it.
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Date: 2009-05-19 03:13 am (UTC)because he experienced 'death'
Wasn't that chilling? It made me empathise with him more than anything else. And when Weaver said 'your John won't be able to do it without mine' I got shivers.
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Date: 2009-05-19 02:12 am (UTC)From season 1, Derek watching Cameron dance - the beauty of her dancing, which we know she learned from a woman whom she didn't lift a finger to save, and the look on Derek's face - disbelief and wonder and admiration all combined. It was gorgeous.
And from season 2, Sarah in the trunk of the car after Cromartie has used her to find John, weaponless, save for a Coke can, and yet still ready to fight a Terminator with nothing more than a Coke can to save her son. She was awesome!
Most of all, though, I think I love that SCC was the antithesis of the final message of BSG - where in the latter show, it didn't matter what anyone did, Sarah Connor and "Sarah Connor Chronicles" embodied the idea that there is no fate but what we make. And that's something that I passionately believe myself, so I loved that our characters fought for themselves and their futures and the future of the world with every fiber of their beings even when it seemed hopeless and doomed to keep trying. And that's really true of all of them, not just Sarah and John.
If you haven't seen
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Date: 2009-05-19 03:11 am (UTC)It was a real TV 'moment', wasn't it?
the antithesis of the final message of BSG
*nods* And in the face of arguably as great or even greater hopelessness than on BSG.
A vid I haven't seen! Yay! thank you. :)
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Date: 2009-05-19 02:19 am (UTC)I loved Sarah's strength, and her vulnerability. I loved that she did what she thought was best for John and the world, and let the chips fall where they may. I loved that she didn't apologize for being hard, because she had to be hard.
I loved John. I loved watching him grow up right before our eyes, becoming the leader we would all need someday. I loved his unmistakable goodness, and I cried for his heartache. I loved his relationship with Derek, and the promise of the relationship he would have had with his father in S3.
I could go on and on and on, but really, it comes down to the characters. I loved them ALL, how they were written, and I am in awe of the actors who brought them to life. There was so much passion and commitment from each and every one of them, and I am so thankful.
Here are a couple of podcast interviews with Brian Austin Green that are great:
SkyNext Podcast Interview with BAG (http://www.skynextpodcast.com/2009/04/26/skynext-chronicle-33-bagass-mother/)
Geek Out Loud Podcast Interview with BAG (http://geekoutpodcast.com/2009/05/)
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Date: 2009-05-19 03:09 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 03:38 am (UTC)As I said before, I just got into this series on the back six or seven of the second season. But I liked what I saw and bought the first season on DVD. I'll be buying the second one too.
I liked the image of Sarah and the coyote as they locked eyes on a lonely highway late one night. Each mother (human and coyote) busy with her business of caring for her young and each one a lone and wily hunter who in turn is hunted. I liked that moment of communion across a highway and a species, perhaps, the series hinted, it might be possible across another high tech highway between human and machine.
i liked this show because it treated its women characters with respect for all their diversity, and it acknowledged the power of motherhood without ever stereotyping its women. There were no madonnas or whores on this show. There were living, breathing, and even cyborg women who were never crushed by men or society's impositions. They made their own lives.
I loved the subtle writing on this show. The plot, the images, the characters, the foreshadowing, all advanced and paid off. And yet, the action never stopped. The momentum never slowed. This show played like it was going somewhere and I wanted to see where that where was.
Thanks for 2 seasons of good TV, show runners.
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Date: 2009-05-19 10:50 am (UTC)The coyote episode was one of those ones where the show took a creative risk and I love that they did so.
it treated its women characters with respect for all their diversity, and it acknowledged the power of motherhood without ever stereotyping its women
*nods* And that is so RARE. I can say I was never once uncomfortable about the gender politics of this show. I can't think of any other show I can say that about.
The two seasons we got were fabulous and at least it will always remain of this high quality--it was never compromised.
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Date: 2009-05-19 07:00 am (UTC)I love John Connor. LOVE. I love how Ted Dekker played him. I love the glimpses of the future leader in him. I love his struggles and his desires to be normal but also how he never backed down from shouldering the responsibilities before him. I love his attachment to Cameron, his fierce love and loyalty to Sarah. I love love LOVE the look on his face in that last moment. His JOY at seeing Derek and his dad and Allison.
I'll come back and post more love for this show later. Maybe I'll do a once a day post. :D
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Date: 2009-05-19 10:47 am (UTC)Please post as often and as many times as you want! :D
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Date: 2009-05-19 11:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 11:00 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 12:00 pm (UTC)Sarah was not only tough but fell in love with men other than Kyle Reese. Lived and slept with others simply because they could teach John something AND WASN'T PUNISHED FOR IT IN THE TEXT.
The writers took the utterly stupid breast cancer death that the third film gave us and turned it into a character defining, possible message from the future, plot driven resolution and utter dismissal of that as something that could conceivably kill Sarah Connor.
The revelation that Brian Austin Green could actually act left my jaw on the ground. Who knew?!
The writers knew their characters inside out.
Their refusal to 'fridge' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators) their female characters to give motivation to their male/main characters like a good sci-fi action show should! Riley went out fighting, she figured out exactly where she was headed and both she and John refused to be used like that. That the writers didn't just conveniently forget that Riley had lived to the ripe old age of seventeen alone in tunnels.
Explosions.
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Date: 2009-05-19 10:59 pm (UTC)Great point! I hadn't even considered that... that's a really good example of the gender WIN in this show.
Who knew?!
Hee! The producers, clearly. I took a while to warm to him, but man he really brought it as an actor, didn't he?
the writers didn't just conveniently forget that Riley had lived to the ripe old age of seventeen alone in tunnels.
So true. You know what I found a sign of how good the gender politics were on the show? When Sarah kidnapped a female doctor, not for one second did I expect that that doctor would be whimpery or pathetic--I knew that she would have her own form of strength somewhere. And she did, even though she was a 'victim' herself. Victims aren't weaker than anyone else on this show.
Explosions
Always important. *nods*
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Date: 2009-05-20 02:50 am (UTC)Victims aren't weaker than anyone else on this show
Also that Sarah didn't personally need to be seen as a Good Guy by her. She had essentially told her the truth but pretended in the end to have lied. I'm a bit unclear on why she did that, maybe so she felt better blaming Sarah for shooting her husband? I'm not sure, but Sarah is always alright with being seen as a Bad Guy by others.
Explosions are always important. I love that a show essentially about several different women's families (Sarah's, Weavernator's, Jesse's fake and dead, Kacy's normal and Terissa Dyson is effectively Skynet's unknowing parent) has so many explosions. \o/
Moar favrit bits:
The inclusion of a younger Skynet as an active part of the story after selling us on John Henry as baby!Skynet was brilliant.
That John Connor isn't The Saviour Of Humanity in and of himself. Like Lister in Red Dwarf he is the
holding patternouroboros that makes it happen and never happening possible. Both sides having time machines means neither side will win till it's decided in the past.If that makes sense at all I'd be amazed.
That Kacy's family wasn't used as dramatic or angsty fodder, her pregnancy was never seen as anything other than normal.
Thank you so much for doing this, I was starting to get so angry.
That a show like this is axed and the only other Guns & Destiny show about is busily killing off all it's female characters or the fandom at large turns on the actresses portraying them, is depressing.
I'm off to make pancakes now. =)
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Date: 2009-05-20 08:05 am (UTC)Hell, yeah, and the writers respect that and never fall into the 'but it's TV' trap. Sarah's multiple love(r)s were really well handled--I never felt that Kyle was anything but central to her heart, but I also understood that she genuinely loved Charlie (who deserves a shoutout: I adored his character), it's just that the circumstances under which they met, the circumstances of Sarah's whole life meant that other things--many things--came first.
Sarah is always alright with being seen as a Bad Guy by others.
*nods* And yet she's not a psychological wreck. She understands that she's an outsider and a 'bad guy' in some contexts--and that she has DAMN GOOD reasons to be. She has no hero complex and is more heroic for it. Like the moment when she says 'we ARE a terrorist cell!' And I love that she respects other people's realities, even though she knows that their realities don't mean shit in the face of the apocalypse.
has so many explosions. \o/
YES. I love that as well as all the awesome plot/characters/female stories, it was also high-class when it came to action. Some of those set pieces were amazingly cinematic.
Both sides having time machines means neither side will win till it's decided in the past.
It makes sense! The war is fought in the past... ohhh... that gives me a good key to use in my vidding, thank you.
only other Guns & Destiny show about is busily killing off all it's female characters or the fandom at large turns on the actresses portraying them, is depressing
Ahh, methinks you are speaking of the show that shall not be named. I have so many issues with that show, and it sells in many ways an opposite message to SCC.
Pancakes are healing! Go the pancakes, the fluffier the better.
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Date: 2009-05-20 02:04 pm (UTC)Pikelets
2 bantam eggs (roughly one egg)
big heaped spoon of butter
1 cup of plain flour
enough milk to make it slightly runnier than the average batter
Blend thoroughly.
On a hot pan, heat turned right down, grease with additional butter and pour a small circle of batter.
Flip after it looks like it'll hold it's shape.
Don't let them get more than a teeny bit golden.
Cover with butter and honey.
=)
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Date: 2009-05-19 12:50 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 10:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 02:27 pm (UTC)I guess I'll get to see SCC when it comes out on DVD. Just like Firefly :-/
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Date: 2009-05-19 10:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-19 03:00 pm (UTC)So overall, it seems like I loved just about everything about it. I won't forget.
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Date: 2009-05-19 10:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-05-20 01:36 pm (UTC)I loved the strong women, the interesting characters. How even the minor characters were strong and different in their own right, and how they would re-appear throughout.
I loved that they gave the chola a voice at the end.
I adore that the future leader of the Resistance fell in love with a machine. I love that Cameron kept evolving, but they still kept true to what she is underneath it all. I love that Sarah got to be a woman, a leader and a warrior all at the same time. That she could be strong and have a heart at the same time. I love that Ellison was able to both be deeply religuous and an intelligent and capable man at the same time. I loved John Henry's naive and downright creepy way of viewing certain things. No words for the amount of love for him and savannah. They can come over and sing me a dirge any time. I loved how Jesse was so damaged, and how she pushed through and did what she thought had to be done. I love how Riley could think for herself, and how she fought for herself as well.
And how about that lack of misogyny?
heh I'm not so good at all of this. In all, lots of love, and plenty has been left out I'm sure ♥
The stories were interesting and cohesive, not to mention true to the characters, and the plot twists were well worth the wait.
And here's one of the best vids I have seen, for any fandom. Human Behaviour.
Thanks for lettign em ramble :D
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Date: 2009-05-20 06:05 pm (UTC)