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It's probably fair to acknowledge upfront that I got just about everything I could have wanted from this episode. Just about. If I'd had my way, Laura would have been more swayed by Lee's testimony, and Dee would have been revealed as a Cylon. But you win some, you lose some. And in the win category, I got:
- Gaeta selling Gaius out (the angst! the subtext! the hilarity!)
- Gaius acquitted but cursed to life as a religious freak: huahahahahaa karma!
- Adama being less stabworthy than last week
- Tigh being revealed as a Cylon, which mindfrak-wise kicks ass
- Kara returning (yay!) and finding Earth (I knew eet, yay!)
- Lee being FRAKKING AWESOME, OMG! (I'll do cartwheels about him later, rest assured.)
- Lee and Kara's twinned destinies continue and we have PILOTS again, YAY!
So if you detect a note of euphoria in the following post, you can probably attribute it to that. I will, however, attempt some form of objectivity. Promise! ;-)

I liked the sense of tension building that was developed throughout the episode from the opening scene with Adama shaving in flickery lights. Laura in bed asking to be yelled at was terribly cute, and that scene successfully showed the intimacy that has grown between them. But it's turned on its head by the end of the episode.

The trial
I really really hope (though I'm not holding my breath) that some of the people bitching about Lee after last episode will feel a bit differently after this one. Seen as a whole, the set-up in Crossroads is magnificent. The trial put Lee in under so much pressure, pushing and testing him, seeing if his commitment to his ideals could really endure when it meant first putting Roslin on the stand, then testifying against his father. The trial was Lee's test by fire and he passed with flying colours. Yes, he was 'manipulated' by Lampkin, in the sense that Lampkin saw what sort of person Lee Adama was, saw how invaluable he would be to the defence team and made all the right moves to make the most of that. But Roslin and Adama tried to 'manipulate' him to their side as well. Lee went in clear-eyed: he knew everyone wanted to sway him, but he stuck to his guns even when that meant his wife walking out on him and his father calling him a liar and a coward. On the witness stand, the truth came out: Lee genuinely believed the trial to be fundamentally unfair.

I giggled to see Lee reciting from his grandfather's lawbooks. I have this image of him up all night 'swatting' from them. What he read out seemed like legal tactics 101 to me, but I'm no expert. It doesn't matter--Lee doesn't have the experience, but he trusts his grandfather's word, and the logic of it makes sense to him. He's good at tactics, and pushing for a mistrial did seem like a good idea, given their position.

Gaeta perjured himself! Gaeta perjured himself to bring Gaius down. I love that! I loved Gaeta's plot arc on New Caprica, ending in him confronting Gaius, and I was very intrigued by their recent interaction. This is a wonderful new chapter in their twisted relationship. It's very believable to me that someone would be so determined to see Gaius proved guilty that he would perjure himself to bring it about. Gaius calling out 'Oh, Felix!' and mocking him for missing at stabbing him in the neck was a riot (the non-literal one before the literal one later!).

Lee let slip that Adama had said Gaius didn't deserve a trial. Yes, it was sloppy of him if he really wanted to protect his father. No doubt there are a stack of fans out there cursing him for that. Personally, I thought it was another instance of very believable human behaviour. Of course Lampkin used that card once it was handed to him, and Lee's naivety and inexperience here is obvious. He doesn't want to testify against his father (yes, he does have personal loyalty!) and his emotional reaction is initially overwhelming: he's pissed off and in denial about what's happening, angry at both Lampkin and himself for getting himself in this position.

There was lovely balance in having Lee first cross-examine someone and force truths from them they'd rather not reveal, and then have Lee himself cross-examined against his will. He's seen both sides of the 'system' now.

I loved this scene so much--I loved every little nuance, from Gaius covering his face with his hands despairingly, to the prosecuting attorney's protests and Lee's slightly manic 'I agree!' in response. I thought the judges were fantastic, particularly the bossy blonde one.

Lee's speech
Oh, man! That speech! *swoons* I'm so in love with it, I'd almost type it out verbatim here, but I will not bore everyone quite that much. I still advise you to skip this bit if you don't want to hear me fangirling Lee ridiculously. *g*

Lampkin asks 'why do you believe that Gaius Baltar deserves to be acquitted?' Lee almost laughs before he answers. He's finding it hard to struggle past the absurdity of his position on the stand, and so he states what he sees as the obvious 'because the evidence does not support the charges'. He says it casually, knowing he's probably the only one in the room that cares. If the judges consider that to be true, then Gaius is acquitted, but Lee's so sure it doesn't matter what his opinion is, even if his assessment is objectively correct.

Lee then continues, hesitantly at first, but gaining confidence as he goes on--this reflects the way he's grown throughout the trial. By choosing to work for Gaius's defence, to define himself in this way, he's following an interest he's had since he was a child, he's using his logical brain, so good at tactical decision making, and he's coupling that with his passionate idealism and belief in democracy, even when that system is flawed and ugly. In doing this, he's becoming more Lee than ever before. It's a journey towards selfhood for him and, as we will see, towards ownership for what he's done. No, he didn't know going in what would happen during the trial, and he sure as hell didn't know what would pour out of him on the stand; it's a personal moment of epiphany for Lee as well as having profound consequences for the fleet as a whole.

Where Lee's argument really finds strength is when he asks what the difference is between Gaius and all the other (pardoned) collaborators. (THANK YOU for textualising that issue, show!) He looks directly at Roslin when he points this out, and there's so much emotion in his voice--I don't know how anyone could think he didn't really believe this or was just doing it to piss Daddy off or whatever the hell it was people were griping about last week. Lee sees the hypocrisy in Roslin's pursuit of a trial for Gaius despite pardonning everyone else, and I think it disappoints him profoundly, because he admires her so much.

Lee's list of peoples' misdeeds was fantastic fun! Yup, everyone's got blood on their hands around here! For a moment I thought he was even going to reveal that Helo had sabotaged his plan to eliminate the Cylons, but oh yeah, that's right, he doesn't know about that... doesn't matter! If he did, Helo would still be forgiven, *lol*.

Having already got me cheering and clapping with joy at his passionate appeal for fairness, Lee then took my heart completely captive with his critique of himself. It is so Lee to put himself under the microscope like this, and there is naturally a catharsis for him in saying these things publicly. The Olympic Carrier! (Oh, how long he's been carrying that one!) Mutiny (at inappropriate times)! And, oh, Lee, your guilt about jumping away in Pegasus! *heart-thump* OMG, that gutted me! Lee carries the weight of his decisions with him every day, but he also carries the weight of those he almost made, and it's telling that he brings up here the fact that he nearly didn't come back to rescue them from New Caprica. (Only you did, honey! You did!) Every decision can have terrible consequences and none of them are made lightly, but they are made by real, flawed people, who are driven by the personal as well as the politial, by their hearts as well as their heads, by anger and bitterness as often as by openness and love.

Oh, hang on, Lee's still talking: 'We are not a civilisation any more. We are a gang, and we're on the run and we have to fight to survive. We have to break rules, we have to bend laws, we have to improvise.' Aieeee!!! Isn't that just the best quote ever about the show?! And I love that it comes from Lee's mouth, because it has such added weight from someone who believes in and mourns for the civilisation they did have, who fights to retain it, but who in doing so has learnt, to the very core of his being, just how much you do need to break rules and improvise. The tension between civilisation and anarchy, between purpose and meaningless, is ever present, and Lee fights to bring order to his own world despite that. But he's not a starry-eyed romantic--he's very clear-eyed about their condition--and it was refreshing to be reminded of that here. Don't dismiss Lee Adama as a daft idealist: don't be so near-sighted. (There! My own personal little appeal!)

Another important aspect to Lee Adama is that he's very attuned to emotional energy (sounds wanky, I know!). He's not only capable of assessing the trial logically, he's also able to see the emotional truth about it: that it's built on shame and guilt. Here, he appeals directly and personally to his father. He turns to him, with emotion etched in his features, his jaw shaking with the pain of it. They have a collective memory of those days circling New Caprica and then jumping away. They grew close and they fought and they embraced. And they carried the guilt and shame together.

Lee talks about 'the ones who ran away', but in a sense all of the humans remaining alive could be defined that way. Even Sam and his rescued rebels--they left others behind them, even if it was only the women in the farms. There are always people left behind, and people lost in the struggle to survive. So many people! Each and every member of the fleet carries an emotional burden--the guilt of being the ones that survived, the ones that got away. And that underlying truth is worth remembering at a moment such as this.

Finally, I love Lee for pointing out the pointlessness of throwing Gaius out an airlock. Yes, it's completely understandable to have that emotional urge, but it should not be acted on. I don't believe in the death penalty under any circumstances, so of course I'm fully on board with this anyway. But it's doubly important here, I believe: this is about survival. Every single human is (extra) valuable under these circumstances. And as Lee points out, it won't actually change anything, it won't work. There will be momentary emotional release and then ... meaninglessness. The old issues will come back, more conflict will arise, more scapegoats will be found... it's a cycle that should not be perpetuated.

Roslin herself came to that conclusion at a community-wide level. She can't let go of her revulsion for Gaius here. I was sorry for that. During Lee's speech, I thought momentarily that she was being swayed, but we see afterwards that she's just angry and disbelieving. She wanted Gaius found guilty so badly. And, again, this is human and understandable, but making a rule for some people and not others is very undemocratic, and if anyone could be expected to call her on that, it's Lee. I hope in time she'll see the fairness of that.

Lee's testimony was extremely unconventional--no argument on that. I loved that he closed with 'not to me. Not to me', emphasising that this is just his opinion. One man's opinion. What weight does that have?

Well the answer appears to be: a lot. And as always on BSG, there are muddled reasons for this. Lee's testimony undoubtedly swayed a lot of people (and personally I believe everyone should have been swayed by it!). But the personal element cannot be discounted--he appealed to his father, looking at him directly, and we learn that Adama voted Gaius not guilty. Do we think Adama is an objective judge? I don't. Adama is swayed by 'his family'. I don't believe he votes out of loyalty to Lee (after all, they just had a huge fight), but I do think that seeing his son bear his soul on the witness stand (including calling himself a coward!), and hearing his words influenced him very strongly. And I believe the words had more weight because they were from Lee.

It's not fair. It's not right. The system is flawed, but it's all they've got. This is what the judge reiterates when she says that the flaws are what separates them from the Cylons and might make them worth saving.

Gaius
Once upon a time, I hated Gaius Baltar with a fiery passion. I threw things at the screen every time he came on screen. I berated him verbally. I bemoaned his horrible egotism, his blindness to his faults. And in this episode all his worst qualities were pouring out of him again--ingratitude, discourtesy, self-centredness, you name it. I mention this because I think it's worth noting that I am not a Gaius 'sympathiser'. For my position on his 'guilt', please refer to Mr Lee Adama's testimony. :-) So I can understand both the passionate revulsion that the characters feel for Gaius and the reasons why he should be acquitted. (And ultimately, I do not think it would have served the show well to execute him: whereas Lee's passionate defence did serve the greater purpose of the show.)

There is of course a difference for us as audience members: we've been given access to Gaius's internal world, to the ways he justifies to himself what he does and who he is. This means we know just how incredibly self-deluded he is. I don't think he'll ever change, I don't think he'll become a better person, I think he'll bounce from one opportunity to another, cunningly protecting the interests of Gaius Baltar and Gaius Baltar alone. I loved seeing the fight break out after the trial result (not just because Lee got to throw a cathartic punch at someone, although hooray for that too!), both because I thought it was a realistic response and because it showed just how difficult being acquitted will be for Gaius. Of course, the twist came with him being kidnapped by the religious nutters who think he's their saviour. I'd be grrr about that if I didn't think that it was funniest idea ever. Gaius will hate that, and then he'll work out how it can benefit him, and then he'll have minions and much hideous hilarity will ensue.

Because Gaius is incredibly funny, and his withering sarcasm and complete lack of gratitude or courtesy in this episode was... staggering, as always.

The wake of the trial
The shots of Lee and Roslin staring at one another across the courtroom floor were heartwrenching. It felt like a slap in the face when Laura turned away, even though I do understand why. She was so invested in the trial, in one specific outcome of the trial. The other reminder of where Lee is left after the trial was in him having to call 'Admiral!' to appeal to his father for help getting Gaius out of the courtroom. He's alone, struggling in the crowd.

I spluttered my coffee when Gaius says he wouldn't have minded seeing the Admiral squirm just a little bit more. Hee! Last week I would have agreed with him! And I love that Lee cracks it with Gaius at that point. Now that the trial is over he doesn't have to be so courteous to the ungrateful client. :-)

I also loved Lee's last exchange with Romo, even including the melodramatic gestures (glasses ON, cane OFF!). The simplicity of that exchange ('Did you know what was going to happen?' 'I knew you were an honest man') belies its beauty and significance. Romo trusted in Lee. He assessed him accurately and he played his virtues to best advantage. He knew that if pushed, Lee's integrity would show: it was a great coda to Lee's fight with Adama.

Adama says that 'not guilty is not the same as innocent'. True. But for Laura, this distinction is lost. Despite herself, she'd counted on Adama trying to persuade the other judges. Adama was elected by chance, and Roslin set out determined to have a 'fair' trial, but despite that she got caught up in wanting a certain outcome. It's a good reminder that there are two aspects to her--the personal (where she despises Gaius) and the political (where she sees that he should have a fair trial). Her personal feelings overwhelm her at this time.

Yes, I bitched about Bill last week. But I loved his words here. 'No one is asking anyone to forget or forgive.' True! And again, I come back to the fact that Roslin pardonned all the other collaborators. He reminds her that they need to look to the future--something she herself has been so good at doing in other situations. The reversal was very successful.

Roslin's vision
VERY cool that she and the Cylons were projecting together. And having to deal with the incredible freakiness of this gives Laura an 'out' as far as I'm concerned for being unreasonable about the outcome of the trial. She's under a lot of pressure too, that's for sure! What does it mean? No idea. But it was interesting that Gaius appeared there for a moment as well--none of them mentioned that. I loved that Laura's move was to meet with the two Cylons unprotected. For a woman who didn't want to get out of bed that morning, she's pretty fearless! I'm also very intrigued about what the vision/projection means for Caprica Six.

The music
As a device, I was initially a bit 'meh' about the music, especially last episode, where it was just there as teaser. However I think it was used powerfully in this episode to create suspense, and then there was the moment where I burst out laughing realising which song it was. And they said one line each--heeeeee! For a moment it nearly tipped over into pure farce for me, but the episode righted itself again almost instantaneously. I do have one question though (no, it's not 'who's the Dylan fan?'): why the Indian feel? *cocks head on side* Curiouser and curiouser... can't wait for the explanation on the music! *boggles*

So Tigh, Anders, Galen and Tory: four of the final five Cylons. The scene between all four of them was fantastic. I thought it was very exciting to see them explore the fears the characters have about being sleeper agents. This is the ultimate nightmare scenario of a 'switch going off', and here they are. There's disbelief (Sam again being used by the writers to reflect the audience's own emotional reaction), there's the silent acknowledgment in the fact that they're all drawn to the same place and can hear the same thing.

I really liked that Galen stated their fear outright. He's not as in denial as the others, maybe because he's considered the possibility for longer?

As I said above, I think revealing Tigh as a Cylon is very cool. He's fought so long against them, he killed his own wife, he's suffered so much: it's going to be very cool to see how he plays things from here. I was not at all surprised to see him be the most certain that returning to their posts and continuing as usual was the right thing to do. He's so hardened, stuck in his patterns, it will be very interesting to see how the Cylons or his own 'nature' fights that. And of course this has huge ramifications for his friendship with Adama. I really really want Bill to work out that Tigh's a Cylon. That 'I've never doubted it' line made me wonder if he maybe he already did... because he's always been incredibly astute about the Cylons, and he did have Tigh in his office earlier rambling crazily about Cylon music. Again, there's lots for me to love here. I've bitched and moaned about the way that Adama privileges Tigh, but having there be real tension introduced in that relationship, putting it under so fundamental a test is potentially very powerful drama indeed.

And although I think he's pretty despicable, I admire Tigh for being clear about the man he wants to be, and saying 'if I die today, that's the man I'll be'. That's the only way any of them can live, Cylon or not.

I'm curious about the choice to have Sam getting it on with Tory. I could understand him becoming a pilot after Kara's death (though I wasn't all that rapt about it), but having him 'move on' so fast seems like a big leap. Are to we assume here that it's just a casual sex thing? (Kara dies and Sam becomes her?) I get that he may be desperate for some human connection. But what happened to griefstricken my-girl-will-come-back Sam? I think the real reason I'm a bit puzzled by it is because it comes together with the Cylon trigger music. Are we supposed to believe they were drawn together in some subliminal way? If so, what purpose does that achieve? And if Kara's a Cylon too, that implies that they were instinctively drawn to one another too, which is kinda boring and pointless, imo.

Love the set up for next season so! At least four extra known Cylons! And I love the shared secret they have--the looks exchanged between them in the final minutes were both creepy and moving.

The final Cylon
Who is it? Kara? She just resurrected herself--she's my number one suspect (and most dreaded Cylon reveal). Laura? She's been projecting herself with Cylons and she had the freaky physical reaction right before the ships lost power. Gaius? Say what you will about him, he's still linked heavily to Caprica Six at the very least. Or someone else entirely and they're just throwing out red-herrings? Though it could be cleared up in a matter of seconds in the season opener... gah! It does my head in! Just let it not be Kara, please, please, please. I'll handwave miraculous survival, I don't CARE, just DO NOT BE A CYLON, KARA!

Pilots!
The final moments of the episode were pure squeeful joy for me. The adrenalin kick of a major attack was kicking in, and of course Lee was back in a Viper in an instant, just as we predicted. YAY! Loved his little smile as he undid his tie and dashed to get his gear. Loved his determined signalling for launch. Helo, who do you think is in Viper 3?! *giggle*

The second that Lee got the little beep on his screen, I knew, I knew it was Kara. Ok, most obvious thing ever, I know: but it still made me joyful! Kara messin' about and swooping Lee's Viper made me giggle with joy. Oh, yeah, that's Kara! And Lee's double-take on seeing her was priceless. I also love that he blinked and shook his head after 'it's going to be ok'. Hee! Of course that was just shock still, but it allowed me to fanwank that he was weirded out by her saying something so reassuring and calm. *giggle*

SO HAPPY that Kara's destiny is to lead them to Earth (not to die) and that Lee was a crucial link in this. I'm sure I'll have way more to say about that in the NINE MONTHS (*groan*) until Season 4, but for now I'm just going to bliss out on that final shot of the two vipers with the massive jump-zoom-out and swirly space sequence panning to Earth, because that ROCKED!

Oh, and I know everyone's going to be picking Dylan lyrics apart for months (good god, Ron! What have you done?) so I'm not even going into that yet, but please tell me I'm not alone in having thought 'two riders' = Lee and Kara in those vipers. Because the song ends on the riders, and so does this episode! *brain explodes with meta-y glee* (ETA: I know they don't actually sing that lyric on the show, but I'm sure they wanted us to think about the rest of the lyrics too, right?)

Eep, ok, it's after midnight! I must shut the hell up! Tomorrow, I will be up to read other posts, though I'm so gleeful about the show right now I don't know if I want to read too much negativity.

ETA: I really should put a warning on this post about the length. *headdesk*
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Date: 2007-03-26 02:33 pm (UTC)
ext_9263: (bsg Apollo)
From: [identity profile] kristiinthedark.livejournal.com
I'm on a break, so I don't have time to read all of this but I just wanted to go,

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because, OMG, so AWESOME! And I have never loved Lee so much as when he did that speech! Best speech EVER!

More later!

Date: 2007-03-26 02:33 pm (UTC)
ext_9263: (bsg starbuck is smokin'!)
From: [identity profile] kristiinthedark.livejournal.com
And KARA, YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Date: 2007-03-26 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
Heeeeeeee!!! *twirls you* OMG, yes! And I'm lol-ing because I just scanned this post myself and died when I saw how long it was. Oh noes! How will my f'list ever forgive me?! *headdesk*

LEEEEEEE!!!!! Best. Speech. Ever.

Date: 2007-03-26 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
HAHAHAAA!!! I am blown away that your first comment did not contain mention of Kara. You are too cute! *ruffles your hair* Also, that's a great compliment to Lee! ;-)

SHE'S BACK!!!!! *bursts with joy* I think absence really does make the heart grow fonder...

Date: 2007-03-26 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenofthorns.livejournal.com
OK, I can’t read this yet because I still haven’t watched BSG (as I was gutted by the "Rome" finale), but … based on what we know about me (i.e. I love LEEEEEE!) do you feel that I’m going to like this episode?

Date: 2007-03-26 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-mantix.livejournal.com
♥ BSG. My show is back!!! It's got big brass balls again. Mwahaha! ITA with your assessment. I loved Romo, Baltar, Adama and Lee. I adored Tigh's reaction. *squee*

The only bit I found truly over the top was the final visual sequence zooming in on Earth. Though, for the life of me, I can think how I could have done it any better so I suppose I can't grumble too much. LOL. Though please, please, please, let's not have them set down in the middle of the Vietnam War. I'm intrigued by what you call the 'Indian' flavour of the Dylan cover. I'm totally psyched for S4!

What do you make of reborn(?) Kara? A little preternaturally Zen, no?

And my guess as to whom the fifth Cylon is? Lee Adama. (eeeeeeeeek!)

Date: 2007-03-26 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-mantix.livejournal.com
*horns in unasked*

Yes! ;)

Date: 2007-03-26 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com
She’s back Boppy! She’s back! I told you they would fix it! I was also waiting for you to see it before squeeing all over your journal as usual. I loved reading your Lee-glee. You were so coherent which I can’t manage right now cause, she’s back!

I honestly don’t care how she’s back, either. No, I don’t want her to be a Cylon but I also have this funny feeling that the writers don’t know anything yet, either. They haven’t decided. And that makes me strangely happy. Kara’s future is still yet to be determined.

But pilots! Yay! I’m so very relieved. You’re right, we shippers got what we wanted this episode. I agree with you on so many points, the music, Tory and Sam. Can I just say I love Tory? There, said it. Though she looked the worse for wear out of all of the Cylons. The thing is, those four are so loyal to the Fleet. I didn’t like her sexing Sam either. But I think they were both a little crazy from the music, trying to ‘awaken’ or something. I can’t blame Sam (not after he was hurting so much after losing our girl). When Kara was losing it and seeing mandalas everywhere, I don’t like to think of what might have happened if Leoben had been on board that ship. Besides, fidelity was never really their thing even when he thought she was alive.

But Lee! Lee! Lee. Lee. Lee. I loved your long post. Thank you so much for helping me understand Lee this season. When he said his speech it was like the writers had read all of our comments! (That’s a weird thought.) Lee has finally found it, himself. And I think that Adama listened because he finally heard Lee. Lee is right. They need to improvise. They need to bend the rules. Ha, Adama always realized this about himself and Kara. Good for him for finally getting it right and realizing a bit of who Lee is. Sorry he broke up with Laura again. (Specially after phonecuddles, who knew yelling was her thing? ; )

I’m rambling cause I’m happy. So glad you watched it. They’re back, Boppy, they’re all back.

Date: 2007-03-26 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com
Oh, and one more thing. I could write more coherently about Lee if I wasn’t so distracted by his clothing. At one point he was talking in the White Shirt of Hotness and the material was stretched so tightly over his bicep that I marveled over how he didn’t just break the shirt apart when he put it on and now I have rewind that scene to see what he was talking about.

Oh, and you mentioned another favorite Lee moment! When he stepped to Baltar about that crack about his father. Don’t you criticize Adama, you little wretch. That’s Lee’s job. I loved that moment. Lee can get angry in a second! And there’s something so scary and hot about it. Oh Lee. I can’t wait to see pilots together again.

Boppy, don’t worry about Kara. She’ll be okay. Be happy about Lee. He can not hear the music. Music all through the show and Lee couldn’t hear a note of it. Unless of course, they change the rules again. But I don’t think so after that speech. He’s so human. He’s so wonderfully human!

Date: 2007-03-26 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloodygoodgirl.livejournal.com
And I love the shared secret they have--the looks exchanged between them in the final minutes were both creepy and moving. I think that's my favorite part about the reveal. Because Boomer was all alone in the knowledge that she was a cylon and sharing this BIG of a secret with three other people is so huge. What if one of them goes crazy, or reveals themselves? And interesting how all of the men were resistance fighters on New Caprica.

The final moments of the episode were pure squeeful joy for me. Oh my gosh yes! Getting ready for battle and Lee grabbing his flight suit made me all happy. And of course as soon as the blip showed I got all excited and kept saying, please let it be Kara, please let it be Kara. AND IT WAS! The little swirly sequence was so cool and just YAY!

Date: 2007-03-26 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
YES YES YES!

Date: 2007-03-26 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
Wheeee!!! It was so awesome!

Kara was preternaturally zen, yes. Is she just a vision? Is she a Cylon trick? Lots of terrible possibilities to consider, but for now I'm just grateful she's there at all.

Why do you think Lee is the fifth? O.O

Date: 2007-03-26 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
Trust me it took a loooooong time to be coherent on this one, because: *bounce bounce bounce* it was so much awesome my head exploded!

I also have this funny feeling that the writers don’t know anything yet, either. They haven’t decided. And that makes me strangely happy. Kara’s future is still yet to be determined.
Oh, that's interesting. I definitely got a STRONG feeling they wanted to leave it completely ambiguous for us right now. And perhaps the actors don't know either. And if the writerss don't know right now? That's fine as long as they get it right come January! ;-) I'm sure I'll start biting my nails about this some time around November, but I intend to remain blissfully happy for much of the hiatus. *determined*

Tell me what is cool about Tory so that I can get a grip on her! :-) I do remember I found her refreshingly hard-headed after Billy, but she hasn't impressed me much recently.

fidelity was never really their thing even when he thought she was alive
It's true. And I wouldn't have blinked if it was Kara in that position--I just hadn't mapped out how like Kara Sam is in that respect.

When he said his speech it was like the writers had read all of our comments! (That’s a weird thought.)
I wish! *waves to the writers*

I think that Adama listened because he finally heard Lee. Lee is right. They need to improvise. They need to bend the rules. Ha, Adama always realized this about himself and Kara.
*nods* It poured out of Lee undeliberately, but his speech really had all the right elements to appeal to Adama. And I think one of the best things about that set-up was that for once Adama had to shut up and listen to his son without interrupting or getting defensive. So Lee got to fully put his case, to say everything, down to the raw emotional truth. And yes, I think he would have responded strongly to hearing Lee say he knew that they had to bend the rules.

They're back! They're back! *twirls you*

Date: 2007-03-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
Ohhhh, Must. See. Bicep. Scene. Now! I missed that. *headdesk* But since I'll be rewatching this episode until eternity, I am sure I will find the bicep glory shortly.

Don’t you criticize Adama, you little wretch. That’s Lee’s job. I loved that moment. Lee can get angry in a second! And there’s something so scary and hot about it.
Yeah, I LOVED that! Especially as people complained last week that he didn't 'question' Gaius enough, that he was taking sides. I never saw it that way. Gaius was his client, that's all, and once that ended, when Gaius bitched about Adama, Lee was all claws. Yup, he has a temper! And he has an ocean of emotions beneath the surface--if he wasn't showing them all immediately in the trial situation, it's only because he was being professional. But I loved seeing him let loose afterwards. And yes, hot! :-)

I don't think Lee's a Cylon either--I was clinging to the lack of music in all his scenes, and yes, he's humanity's passionate spokesperson, he cannot be Cylon! I fret for Kara though, despite your reassurance. *stares across at her in her dreamy Viper*

Date: 2007-03-26 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
What if one of them goes crazy, or reveals themselves? And interesting how all of the men were resistance fighters on New Caprica.
Oh, true! God, I hadn't even got to that yet... But yes, I think the dramatic potential of a shared secret is fantastic. Love that!

The getting ready for battle sequence was brilliant! The blip! Kara Kara Kara!! JOY!

whee! meta! earth! bob! .

Date: 2007-03-27 01:57 am (UTC)
ext_1468: (l_sam lee)
From: [identity profile] grapefruitzzz.livejournal.com
...hem.

So glad Gaeta got on the stand and continued his weirdly personal feud with Gaius (the 'Oh Felix!' was hilarious). Lee was right that they are not the same civilisation as before - just as Zarek said ages ago and just (grr) as Dee said. Maybe in such deperate circumstances, it would have been better to suspend elections and have a rigged election or military rule, and hope that democracy and legal process can be salvaged for the good of society some time later. I think Lee's not sure about this either, but he seems to be the only one who realises that it's going on. Everyone else is talking oldlife and living new.

(haha, I'm reading and replying to a defferent section at the same time as this. It's end-of-season bargain maaadness!)

Tyrol confronted the Cylon thing at the end of S2, when he talked to Cavil about it (there's a lead in, come to think of it. I'll have to go back and check out all their interactions with other bots). Also Tyrol knew what poor Boomer went through. They seem terribly ok with it so far, but I suppose they're too busy having a war crisis. Loved the 'sinister' shots of Tory and Tigh's three eyes in the CIC - are they doing anything sabotagey without knowing? Is it suspicious that they all "want to do their duty"? Laura's shared dream with Sharaon is far more suspicious to me. The others seem more brainwashed, but that dream is *really* cylonic. Laura has very little past, either. She must be the Fifth of Five.

(yes, plz not Kara, although I still want her and my Lee to have a special destiny somehow)

Baltar was such a knob at the end. It was good to be reminded of him as a real-life creature and not just a symbol of justice. Now he has crusty minions, who he will either turn into sex-slaves or get tired of within weeks.

The Dylan-analysis will have become unbearable by January :D

Re: whee! meta! earth! bob! .

Date: 2007-03-27 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
So glad Gaeta got on the stand and continued his weirdly personal feud with Gaius (the 'Oh Felix!' was hilarious).
I know! Them too make me giggle so much. I luff them.

I think Lee's not sure about this either, but he seems to be the only one who realises that it's going on. Everyone else is talking oldlife and living new.
Ha! Yes! I agree, and I completely understand Lee's uncertainty because we're uncertain too, but living in denial is not useful no matter how complex the truths to be faced are.

there's a lead in, come to think of it. I'll have to go back and check out all their interactions with other bots
I know! I know! Rewatching is going to be waaaay interesting now. Yeah, increasingly I'm thinking Tyrol is also a very cool choice as Cylon.

Laura has very little past, either. She must be the Fifth of Five.
I'm thinking that could be the case. Though it could be that Laura just shares blood with the Cylons--since she was cured by Hera's blood and Hera was projecting also?

yes, plz not Kara, although I still want her and my Lee to have a special destiny somehow
Damn, of course! And hell, she just found Earth! (if we believe her) And of course THEY have special destiny! *twirls you*

Baltar was such a knob at the end. It was good to be reminded of him as a real-life creature and not just a symbol of justice. Now he has crusty minions, who he will either turn into sex-slaves or get tired of within weeks.
My thoughts exactly. And, *lol*, you use 'knob' as an insult too! I do that, though I've always spelt it 'nob', heavens know why!

The Dylan-analysis will have become unbearable by January :D
I KNOW! Eeep! I just... I had that little moment (noted above) of geeking out about it, and then omg, I had to pull myself back from the abyss because that way madness lies, you know? ;-)

Re: whee! meta! earth! bob! .

Date: 2007-03-27 02:53 am (UTC)
ext_1468: (l_sam lee)
From: [identity profile] grapefruitzzz.livejournal.com
Rewatching all of Sam's tuff will be especially interesting, because I rather ignored him at first. I had a vague suspicion of Tyrol from his big wig-out last season, because it seemed to come from nowhere and I think the 'Cylons can't breed' idea is just their incompetence. Tigh is a very brave choice and shows that 'revealing Cylons' isn't just an easy gimmick, as it would be with just Sam and Tory and people like that.

Though it could be that Laura just shares blood with the Cylons--since she was cured by Hera's blood and Hera was projecting also?

That's true! Hera and Sharon and Laura all have shared blood somehow, although I'm not sure where Six comes in. Maybe she's the Controller.

I bet Kara found Earth by collabroating somehow with a faction of Good Cylons. My brother guessed that Lee would end this episode being captured on a basestar, which could still happen next week (argh, year). Ooh, I need new icons!

I have seen 'nob' used a lot, but for some reason I always go with 'knob', It just seems classier...

I wonder what it would be like to watch the episode and not know the song? I started smirking when Tigh first said "There must be some kind of way...", heh.

Re: whee! meta! earth! bob! .

Date: 2007-03-27 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
Tigh is a very brave choice and shows that 'revealing Cylons' isn't just an easy gimmick
*nods* Yes, I agree rewatching Sam stuff will be interesting--though at the start the writers didn't know he was going to be a Cylon.

I'm not sure about Six either... but I'm really intrigued because I found the sacrifice she's already made for Hera fascinating/moving.

I bet Kara found Earth by collabroating somehow with a faction of Good Cylons
That's a theory I've considered and I like it. Though it's hard to imagine Kara being that open-minded... but I forget! This is new!Kara! ;-)

wonder what it would be like to watch the episode and not know the song? I started smirking when Tigh first said "There must be some kind of way...", heh.
Hee, I know! I was laughing and in shock, because of all the things... still, they chose a damn good song. I just wasn't expecting it.

Date: 2007-03-27 03:58 am (UTC)
ext_21868: (stalkerkitty)
From: [identity profile] capnzebbie.livejournal.com
Wonderful and insightful, as always!

One thing I loved about Lee's speech was the way he subtley (and unintentionally) set Gaius up as a Christ figure with all his talk of scapegoating. With the new cult-of-Gaius and Roslin's returning visions, I see an out and out religious schism in the future. I hope they go that way with this.

The Cylon reveal ROCKED MIGHTILY!!!! I loved the way they built to even from last week (didn't the music start last week?) and it gradually got louder and louder in such a tension-filled, hallucinatory way. (Someone on the writing staff did acid a few decades ago, I think). Tigh was brilliant--that's it, just brilliant. That last look between him and Tory gave me chills. Perfectly shot, ending with that one eye; I loved it.

Oh, and hey! Do you think Tigh was the one D'Anna apologized to in her last vision?

I'm so glad Kara's back! And what a great reveal on that as well! :)

Also, I want a spin-off--Romo Lampkin, Space Attorney-at-Law. What a cool character! *g*

Date: 2007-03-27 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] exsequar.livejournal.com
I don't know you, but suffice to say:

KARAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

Date: 2007-03-27 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
Thank you! *g*

I see an out and out religious schism in the future. I hope they go that way with this.
That would be coool. I agree it was interesting that there were subtle suggestions of Gaius-as-martyr in Lee's testimony. It's ironic because Lee is the last person who would deliberately buy into that, atheist that he is.

I loved the way they built to even from last week (didn't the music start last week?) and it gradually got louder and louder in such a tension-filled, hallucinatory way. (Someone on the writing staff did acid a few decades ago, I think).
Ah ha! *nods* It did start last week, and I think watching the eps back to back would make it even cooler. I intend to do a 'movie' rewatch of them with popcorn and cheering some time soon. ;-) And I totally agree about the acid trip thing--I was laughing so hard to myself: ok, ok, who's the stoner on the writing staff? (That Dylan song reminds me so much of the part of my teen years spent riding in the back of combi vans and watching my friends get all philosophical when they were stoned. *eyerolls*)

Do you think Tigh was the one D'Anna apologized to in her last vision?
Oh, nice! That would be cool. I think he might be!

Romo was a very cool character--lots of fun. I'm glad he was written in for the full three eps and not just the one they originally intended. Perhaps we'll see him again, who knows?

Date: 2007-03-27 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daybreak777.livejournal.com
Tory? I didn’t like Tory at first. She seemed all crisp and cold to me after sweet little Billy. Billy was like Roslin’s conscience, in fact Roslin could still use Billy around. I think Tory won me over with her many little expressions even when she has no lines. Maybe it’s the actress, she just makes me laugh. From shaking her head at Roslin’s gigglefest before the debate last year to this headshake she did last night during the trial. She has a way of making her feelings known. Plus, I felt for her when she said she let Roslin down after the occupation. Loyalty and competence mean something to her. It may not surprise you but I like characters best when they’re losing it and falling apart. Showing some emotions. From Adama, to Sam, to Kara to Lee. And Tory looked like she was having it worse than all the other Four. I don’t really like her and Sam together. It’s just odd, the other Cylons don’t seem attracted to each other.

As for Kara possibly being a Cylon? I really don’t care if she is. When faced with the possibility of no Kara at all and Kara being whatever the writers think up, I’ll take Kara (and Katee) however I can get them. The bleakness of no-Kara was not a happy BSG-place.

This episode did restore my faith a bit in the writers, something I thought could never happen. They don’t always, but they can stay true to these characters. Just look at Lee. I’m ready to brace myself and have faith in them. I’m whispering, “there’s no cheesiness on BSG, there’s no cheesiness on BSG,” over and over to myself, but the best thing is whatever Kara is, they’re back!

*still twirling *

Date: 2007-03-27 08:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bop-radar.livejournal.com
I agree: Roslin could use Billy around, and I was never even that much of a Billy fan! Thanks for explaining the Tory thing--it ties with something another friend mentioned about her. The actress hasn't really grabbed me, I haven't picked up on those little signals from her, but I can see how if you had, she'd be interesting. But yeah, not sure about her and Sam. :-/

And I'd take Kara as Cylon over no Kara ANY DAY. Have no doubt about that! *g*

I manage to cheerily retain faith in the writers most of the time, which is weird because i do bitch about them as well. But I'm always like this about shows I love. I figure if they've created something I love this much to begin with, then it's only fair to trust them. And I try not to project too many desires of my own on to the show so I don't get let down. Perhaps it's my editor's respect for the authority of the creator--who knows? ;-)

*totally dizzy from twirling but twirling nonetheless*

Date: 2007-03-27 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] c-mantix.livejournal.com
*clings to Kara*

As for my Lee theory, it's been hovering in the back of my mind since he 'died' while watching the Resurrection Ship explode. And it would make a terrible amount of sense in terms of the ostensible moral ambiguity of the final five. So, I'm putting my money on Lee as the last unknown Cylon. If not him, then his father, making Lee a hybrid.

OTOH, I am intrigued once again about the identity of the person who left that 'There are twelve Cylon models' note for Adama in the mini.

I swear, this show may make my brain explode! LOL.
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