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bop_radarAs expected from Part I of a season-ending arc, this episode had an incomplete feel to it. It had some strong moments, but much of its power, I suspect, will come from seeing where things end up. There were a few oddnesses, like Tory losing it, that don't really fit yet. (Though I was at least grateful we got to hear Laura crack it with her. I've never been that impressed with Tory, but she was seriously hopeless in this ep--yelling at Baltar's prosecuting lawyer? Not smart.)
And then Tigh's mysterious music... I don't feel I can even begin to speculate on that. I kind of wish it was just a symptom of him going completely batshit, but I fear some deeper significance at work ... :-( Sam can hear it too. 'Tis the music of lost wives, apparently. (If it is, I will stab things.)
Courtroom scenes are difficult. Particularly when we don't know the legal framework they're working under. However, I thought the prosecution lawyer was very charismatic--a well-chosen guest actor. Her opening address was very strong, and I thought using the device of the population total (and missing number) was very powerful--it also structured the courtcase into the larger story of the series, since Roslin's tally has been one of the most poignant features of the fleet's survival.
Lampkin's defence speech was interesting, though I was a little unconvinced that the crowd would be as receptive, or at least as silent, as they seemed. By overstating the militaristic 'payback' aspect of the trial, he was no doubt trying to create a culture of public embarrassment about such motivations. Although I'm not that convinced that many people in the fleet are embarrassed by those emotions. *frowns* I found Roslin turning up late very amusing. I also loved that we could see in the background, as Lampkin expounded, that she was making that face, the smiling tolerantly one that she puts on when she is Most Displeased or bored.
While I'm in sympathy for Laura, may I say that regardless of the origin of her insights, I felt really sorry for her having to justify her suggestions to Tigh. Hell, I feel sorry for her having to even have a conversation with Tigh. And I loved her walking off shaking her head. 'Boys!'
Gaius was at his comedic best, I felt. The scene where his 'disciple' visited him was hilarious: 'I'm not The God, a god, of any derivation thereof...'/'Well, that's very baffling!' Although I had a disturbing moment when I realised that what Head!Six says to Baltar about his disciples (they see you better than you see yourself) is strikingly similar to what the Oracle said to Kara about Leoben. It was also fun to see him flip out about his 'security guard' turning lawyer. ;-)
I really liked the circular connections in this episode. Laura suggests Tigh talk to Six, which results in her opening up Tigh's wounds regarding Ellen, which results in his collapse on the witness stand, which results in Adama's defensiveness with Lee, which provided the final drive to make use of his insight into the origin of Laura's initial idea about Six.
This trial is public, and the way that the key players conduct themselves in that public arena will affect the way they are viewed by others. Tigh's actions were embarrassing. Adama gets points for being a good friend, but allowing your best friend to serve as XO is a whole different matter. I've been frustrated by how Tigh's return to his post hasn't been problematised on the show and I'm glad it's come out into the light now. I felt some sympathy for Tigh when he killed Ellen--I found that a genuinely moving moment. But I felt little pity for him on the stand. He was stupid enough to get drunk and get up on the stand. And Adama's friendship did nothing to prevent him from doing so. I'm with Lee on this one: Tigh embarrassed himself.
Lampkin is right--Lee is a really bad liar. Lampkin's got Lee's measure perfectly--he pegs correctly that the person Lee needs to prove something to is himself, and that Lee's not going to be comfortable with the idea that he withheld something that could have helped Gaius's defence. Once again, nicely manipulated, Mr Lampkin.
Of course, Lee's lack of a poker face did him no good in his meeting with his father. However, that does NOT justify the way Adama turned on him. This is the part of my review where I have fits of rage against Adama. It's entirely possible that I paused my viewing to throw things... their father-son exchange got so completely out of hand, and I cannot believe that after all this time and all the effort that Lee's put into rebuilding that relationship, Adama still puts Tigh first. Is Adama sulking because Lee turned down CAG to play lawyer? Er, he's still giving you tactical advice, Bill! You've got the best of both worlds! Grrrrr.
So. Completely. Unfair. You do NOT call your son a liar and a coward. Words from parents sting. They scar deeper than words from anyone else, even partners. And Lee didn't know about Ellen. If it hadn't caused such a hideous family rift, I would have been giggling a lot over the fact that Lee clearly didn't care an iota about what happened to Tigh's wife. That's actually pretty poor of Lee, I think--purely from the perspective of knowing the men you serve with, I think he should have had some idea that there was something more to Ellen's death than just 'random death at hands of Cylons number 4765'. However, I like it as a sign of how he just doesn't rate Tigh as important at all. So WOW, Adama, you just made it incredibly easy for your son to rebel against you. And he did so with far more dignity and grace than you. You were an ugly character in this episode.
I think Lee found it surprisingly easy, in that final moment, to remove his wings. Not just because the altercation with his father had gone so far, but because he's moved beyond flying as a career. He's got newfound direction and confidence and there's an emptiness in the sky now anyway. So, I guess we've lost both our pilots now. No more Starbuck. (The show feels so empty without her!!) No more Apollo. *sniffles*
Unspoiled as I was, I had no idea that the episode would result in Lee cross-examining Laura to defend Gaius. And ouch! That was hard to watch. They've had so few scenes together in the last season and a half, it was painful to have that old intimacy dredged up here. Laura appealing to Lee broke my heart. Especially because Lee has conflicted feelings about what he's doing himself. He looked chronically uncomfortable when Lampkin first brought up Roslin's motives in prosecuting Baltar. I don't think he's at all comfortable with dragging her into it. And I think that's why, in the final moment, he grants her request and asks why. The answer kills him. Oh, Lee! *covers face with hands* You're never going to stop gathering reasons to feel guilt, are you? I adored the voiceshake on that question too. Oh, dear, dear, Lee!
I think it's also important to remember that Lee is a sceptic. Laura appeals to their joint experience with finding the path to Earth, but I think Lee's locked that experience away somewhere deep inside. He's rationalised it to himself, and he doesn't have faith in the spiritual. Although it was never explored, religious faith, and Laura's willingness to embrace it, was always a point of difference between Lee and Laura, and I think it's really interesting that it's arisen again now. (It also makes me wish the writers had done a better job of exploring that as one of the reasons that led to them drifting apart.)
Lee crosses the floor to face Laura, to look her in the eye when he asks her the crucial question. He does so in front of his father, to prove he's not the coward that Adama claimed. If his father's going to condemn him for attacking someone that his father holds dear, let it be for something he's actually done. Laura says she feels sorry for him... I'm not sure I do. I do feel he's been manipulated, but I also feel he's made his own decisions. He's on a journey to become his own man, not his father's. But I am sorry that it's cost him, once and for all, Laura's friendship, because I fear it has, and that was once so valuable and dear to Lee.
Laura came out of the trial relatively strongly. She held her own in the press conference as she always does. Unlike Tigh, she's not actually a mess, and that's a very important distinction. The transparency of the trial will, I hope, make that obvious. If it results in public pressure for Tigh to resign, I'll be very happy.
Lee, on the other hand, didn't come out so well. Oh, that's right--nearly forgot that he lost his wife in this episode as well. *facepalm* Dee, as usual, didn't get many lines. However, I wasn't surprised by the decision to script her walking out on him over this. She's Adama's girl, and this trial has brought to light all the aspects of Lee's character which are unlike his father. She doesn't sympathise with his stance, and she's got her own strongly held opinions. I'm really glad that finally we've got to a place where the difference in their values is made clear. Summed up in, I believe, a couple of sentences and some dramatic hand gestures. Ah, well. ;-)
I'm a little cranky still, so I'll indulge in some Helo squeeage--sooooo nice to see him back as XO and bonding with Felix. Loved his 'storm is rising' call too. So cutely melodramatic. (At least he didn't say the music is rising!) I had a moment of picturing him Legolas-like on a mountaintop, hand to brow, taking the pulse of the wind. ;-p
Finally Lee's idea about the tillium ship was frakking brilliant. And of course Adama uses it despite Lee's resignation! I hope it saves their asses so that they're all SORRY SORRY SORRY! *pouts*
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And then Tigh's mysterious music... I don't feel I can even begin to speculate on that. I kind of wish it was just a symptom of him going completely batshit, but I fear some deeper significance at work ... :-( Sam can hear it too. 'Tis the music of lost wives, apparently. (If it is, I will stab things.)
Courtroom scenes are difficult. Particularly when we don't know the legal framework they're working under. However, I thought the prosecution lawyer was very charismatic--a well-chosen guest actor. Her opening address was very strong, and I thought using the device of the population total (and missing number) was very powerful--it also structured the courtcase into the larger story of the series, since Roslin's tally has been one of the most poignant features of the fleet's survival.
Lampkin's defence speech was interesting, though I was a little unconvinced that the crowd would be as receptive, or at least as silent, as they seemed. By overstating the militaristic 'payback' aspect of the trial, he was no doubt trying to create a culture of public embarrassment about such motivations. Although I'm not that convinced that many people in the fleet are embarrassed by those emotions. *frowns* I found Roslin turning up late very amusing. I also loved that we could see in the background, as Lampkin expounded, that she was making that face, the smiling tolerantly one that she puts on when she is Most Displeased or bored.
While I'm in sympathy for Laura, may I say that regardless of the origin of her insights, I felt really sorry for her having to justify her suggestions to Tigh. Hell, I feel sorry for her having to even have a conversation with Tigh. And I loved her walking off shaking her head. 'Boys!'
Gaius was at his comedic best, I felt. The scene where his 'disciple' visited him was hilarious: 'I'm not The God, a god, of any derivation thereof...'/'Well, that's very baffling!' Although I had a disturbing moment when I realised that what Head!Six says to Baltar about his disciples (they see you better than you see yourself) is strikingly similar to what the Oracle said to Kara about Leoben. It was also fun to see him flip out about his 'security guard' turning lawyer. ;-)
I really liked the circular connections in this episode. Laura suggests Tigh talk to Six, which results in her opening up Tigh's wounds regarding Ellen, which results in his collapse on the witness stand, which results in Adama's defensiveness with Lee, which provided the final drive to make use of his insight into the origin of Laura's initial idea about Six.
This trial is public, and the way that the key players conduct themselves in that public arena will affect the way they are viewed by others. Tigh's actions were embarrassing. Adama gets points for being a good friend, but allowing your best friend to serve as XO is a whole different matter. I've been frustrated by how Tigh's return to his post hasn't been problematised on the show and I'm glad it's come out into the light now. I felt some sympathy for Tigh when he killed Ellen--I found that a genuinely moving moment. But I felt little pity for him on the stand. He was stupid enough to get drunk and get up on the stand. And Adama's friendship did nothing to prevent him from doing so. I'm with Lee on this one: Tigh embarrassed himself.
Lampkin is right--Lee is a really bad liar. Lampkin's got Lee's measure perfectly--he pegs correctly that the person Lee needs to prove something to is himself, and that Lee's not going to be comfortable with the idea that he withheld something that could have helped Gaius's defence. Once again, nicely manipulated, Mr Lampkin.
Of course, Lee's lack of a poker face did him no good in his meeting with his father. However, that does NOT justify the way Adama turned on him. This is the part of my review where I have fits of rage against Adama. It's entirely possible that I paused my viewing to throw things... their father-son exchange got so completely out of hand, and I cannot believe that after all this time and all the effort that Lee's put into rebuilding that relationship, Adama still puts Tigh first. Is Adama sulking because Lee turned down CAG to play lawyer? Er, he's still giving you tactical advice, Bill! You've got the best of both worlds! Grrrrr.
So. Completely. Unfair. You do NOT call your son a liar and a coward. Words from parents sting. They scar deeper than words from anyone else, even partners. And Lee didn't know about Ellen. If it hadn't caused such a hideous family rift, I would have been giggling a lot over the fact that Lee clearly didn't care an iota about what happened to Tigh's wife. That's actually pretty poor of Lee, I think--purely from the perspective of knowing the men you serve with, I think he should have had some idea that there was something more to Ellen's death than just 'random death at hands of Cylons number 4765'. However, I like it as a sign of how he just doesn't rate Tigh as important at all. So WOW, Adama, you just made it incredibly easy for your son to rebel against you. And he did so with far more dignity and grace than you. You were an ugly character in this episode.
I think Lee found it surprisingly easy, in that final moment, to remove his wings. Not just because the altercation with his father had gone so far, but because he's moved beyond flying as a career. He's got newfound direction and confidence and there's an emptiness in the sky now anyway. So, I guess we've lost both our pilots now. No more Starbuck. (The show feels so empty without her!!) No more Apollo. *sniffles*
Unspoiled as I was, I had no idea that the episode would result in Lee cross-examining Laura to defend Gaius. And ouch! That was hard to watch. They've had so few scenes together in the last season and a half, it was painful to have that old intimacy dredged up here. Laura appealing to Lee broke my heart. Especially because Lee has conflicted feelings about what he's doing himself. He looked chronically uncomfortable when Lampkin first brought up Roslin's motives in prosecuting Baltar. I don't think he's at all comfortable with dragging her into it. And I think that's why, in the final moment, he grants her request and asks why. The answer kills him. Oh, Lee! *covers face with hands* You're never going to stop gathering reasons to feel guilt, are you? I adored the voiceshake on that question too. Oh, dear, dear, Lee!
I think it's also important to remember that Lee is a sceptic. Laura appeals to their joint experience with finding the path to Earth, but I think Lee's locked that experience away somewhere deep inside. He's rationalised it to himself, and he doesn't have faith in the spiritual. Although it was never explored, religious faith, and Laura's willingness to embrace it, was always a point of difference between Lee and Laura, and I think it's really interesting that it's arisen again now. (It also makes me wish the writers had done a better job of exploring that as one of the reasons that led to them drifting apart.)
Lee crosses the floor to face Laura, to look her in the eye when he asks her the crucial question. He does so in front of his father, to prove he's not the coward that Adama claimed. If his father's going to condemn him for attacking someone that his father holds dear, let it be for something he's actually done. Laura says she feels sorry for him... I'm not sure I do. I do feel he's been manipulated, but I also feel he's made his own decisions. He's on a journey to become his own man, not his father's. But I am sorry that it's cost him, once and for all, Laura's friendship, because I fear it has, and that was once so valuable and dear to Lee.
Laura came out of the trial relatively strongly. She held her own in the press conference as she always does. Unlike Tigh, she's not actually a mess, and that's a very important distinction. The transparency of the trial will, I hope, make that obvious. If it results in public pressure for Tigh to resign, I'll be very happy.
Lee, on the other hand, didn't come out so well. Oh, that's right--nearly forgot that he lost his wife in this episode as well. *facepalm* Dee, as usual, didn't get many lines. However, I wasn't surprised by the decision to script her walking out on him over this. She's Adama's girl, and this trial has brought to light all the aspects of Lee's character which are unlike his father. She doesn't sympathise with his stance, and she's got her own strongly held opinions. I'm really glad that finally we've got to a place where the difference in their values is made clear. Summed up in, I believe, a couple of sentences and some dramatic hand gestures. Ah, well. ;-)
I'm a little cranky still, so I'll indulge in some Helo squeeage--sooooo nice to see him back as XO and bonding with Felix. Loved his 'storm is rising' call too. So cutely melodramatic. (At least he didn't say the music is rising!) I had a moment of picturing him Legolas-like on a mountaintop, hand to brow, taking the pulse of the wind. ;-p
Finally Lee's idea about the tillium ship was frakking brilliant. And of course Adama uses it despite Lee's resignation! I hope it saves their asses so that they're all SORRY SORRY SORRY! *pouts*
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Date: 2007-03-19 01:45 pm (UTC)I think that maybe, upon reflection, Laura is the one person who will remember that Lee is always the one to act on principle - no matter what the cost (to himself or to others.) She admired that about him before - she's the one who wanted him involved in the trial, because "he knows right from wrong" and I think she can understand that it wasn't personal.
It's ADAMA who just can't ever quite GET that. And I personally *HATED* him in this episode - there is NO WAY he should be on that tribunal. NONE! He is incapable of objectivity here and he made that so clear when Tigh and Roslin were testifying.
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Date: 2007-03-19 01:50 pm (UTC)YES! And this is exactly how upset I was when Adama told Kara he no longer loved her like a daughter and that she was a cancer. Bill Adama is a SHIT parent!
I actually think the writers take things too far. In real life, these kind of abusive words from parents are rarely gotten over.
The Laura/Lee stuff was rather deliciously angsty.
I'd say more but it's getting so late. Cool review!
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Date: 2007-03-19 03:29 pm (UTC)Adama has no idea who Lee is. I think he’s still hurting over Kara. He knew her well and is kind of relying on Lee to fill that space for now. Adama wants to blindly protect people. He even knows he’s not objective. That what he said in the ring. He doesn’t care. Just don’t hurt Lee or Laura or Tigh. (Or Dee or Helo or the ensign who brings his coffee, etc.) Doesn’t care what they want, what’s logical or who he is as their military leader. He’s just trying to hang on to his family. I don’t always like how he does it but his pain is so clear to me that I just can’t hate him for it.
We differ on the prosecuting lawyer. I didn’t like her delivery of some lines in the courtroom. I wanted an Alex Cabot or Abby Carmichael up there representing humanity. I actually liked her better with her verbal sparring with Tory. I like Tory. Hard to after Billy but she won me over when Roslin had her giggling fit last year. Tory with her shake of the head. She did it again when Tigh was on the stand. Tory’s nonverbal, “and how are exactly are you people running everything” attitude just tickles me. But she’s kind of losing it too. And that is very interesting.
No more Starbuck. (The show feels so empty without her!!) No more Apollo. I really miss hearing her voice. But she's in these episodes too. Her presence. I heard her cheering when Six cracked Tigh back, for one. Sigh. Starbuck.
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Date: 2007-03-19 03:57 pm (UTC)For Lee, loyalty does not trump principle. That's one of the reasons that I admire him so much. And that's also why his father may never understand him. Laura, I think, may possibly come to understand that he was doing his job and bringing up relevant questions (because, yeah, it is relevant that Laura is taking a drug that induces hallucinations).
For Adama, loyalty trumps everything else. Common sense, principle, doesn't matter. What matters is if you'll stand by Adama no matter what. Tigh should never have been his XO again after New Caprica (or even before that, for the most part). He isn't capable. He deserves all the second chances that Adama wants to give him in his personal life, but that man should never have been second in command. Putting loyalty above all else has led Adama to some stupid, stupid calls.
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Date: 2007-03-19 08:59 pm (UTC)As for Adama, RAAAAAAAGE!!! I agree--completely incapable of objectivity here. I'd hope that he was on the tribunal to show how warped and unfair the trial is, except that I know RM thinks Adama is a model of fairness. *stabs*
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Date: 2007-03-19 09:01 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-19 09:06 pm (UTC)By hurting/rejecting the rest of his family? There's a line for me, and Adama's crossed it. I'd have more sympathy if I thought he was trying to change (like Lee is trying to), trying to be a better person and NOT hurt one family member to protect another. But I don't see that. I was one hundred per cent behind Lee resigning under those circumstances. Adama takes his parenting into the command structure in a way that I feel is unacceptable.
Having said all that, I'm glad you can understand Adama and have compassion for him--I'm glad someone does.
Tory losing it is very interesting. I want that loose end tied!
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Date: 2007-03-19 10:13 pm (UTC)Lampkin's right: if Gaius hadn't collaborated with the cylons they might have just killed all of them. They certainly could have if they'd wanted to. I mean, it's not that Gaius isn't guilty of treason or anything, I just don't think he should be executed for it. Capital punishment bothers me! *cuddles Gaius*
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Date: 2007-03-19 10:22 pm (UTC)I DON'T KNOW!!! I can't believe that anyone's on Adama's side here. Ok, I can believe it because it's fandom, but SHEESH! I can't understand how anyone could call Lee a coward. I can understand how people could call his personal integrity into question in terms of his relationships--but that's not the integrity that we're talking about here.
For Lee, loyalty does not trump principle. That's one of the reasons that I admire him so much.
Definitely! It makes him a far greater man than his father in my eyes. The fleet needs men like Lee, or they will rapidly devolve into callous monsters. Your dissection of the difference between Lee and Adama is spot on: loyalty before principle is cowardice and lack of integrity in my eyes. Right back atcha, Bill! *glares*
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Date: 2007-03-19 10:26 pm (UTC)You're cute! :-)
if Gaius hadn't collaborated with the cylons they might have just killed all of them. They certainly could have if they'd wanted to. I mean, it's not that Gaius isn't guilty of treason or anything, I just don't think he should be executed for it. Capital punishment bothers me!
Me too. Absolutely. The territory is so grey and I love that as viewers, we saw the gun put to Gaius's head to get him to sign those papers. We know how conflicted he was. I don't think anyone's hands are entirely clean this far into the war. I also think Lampkin's right to emphasise that Gaius is being used as a scapegoat in this trial. 'We kill Gaius so we can leave it all behind'. That's false: the situation on New Caprica was more complex than that, and I understand Lee's need to come to terms with how Gaius is part of humanity, not a gangrenous limb to be amputated. Like Lee, I ABSOLUTELY think Gaius deserves a trial, and a fairer one than this one, and I hate that capital punishment is considered a solution here.
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Date: 2007-03-19 11:42 pm (UTC)Helo seemed surprised to hear about the Hera blood cure, but I thought he knew? He makes a cute XO, especially when he's rolling eyes and colluding with Gaeta.
Good point about it being the final end of PILOTS although Lee is still alive (bet Bill would rather it was the other way round, the old git. Hatey hate hate the miserable old sod.) Also good to remind me that Lee and Laura tromped through Kobol together. He went to the Starry Map Room with her (estranged) Papa (very estranged) Kara (dead) and Billy (very dead). Hmm.
Yep, Dee bailed at about the same time the uniform came off ;)
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Date: 2007-03-19 11:55 pm (UTC)Helo seemed surprised to hear about the Hera blood cure, but I thought he knew?
Oh, I thought his jaw-clench indicated 'yes, I know, thanks for dredging that up again, you bitch!' rather than surprise. ;-)
He makes a cute XO, especially when he's rolling eyes and colluding with Gaeta.
Indeedy! I could watch them collude a great deal more.
Hatey hate hate the miserable old sod
Sums up my feelings exactly!
Also good to remind me that Lee and Laura tromped through Kobol together. He went to the Starry Map Room with her (estranged) Papa (very estranged) Kara (dead) and Billy (very dead). Hmm.
Indeedy! Poor darling! They were like one big happy family back then (comparatively). Do not go to the Starry Map Room together, people! It leads to badness. :-( I like your qualification of Billy as 'very' dead. ;-) If he comes back and not Kara I will kill things.
Dee bailed at about the same time the uniform came off ;)
That Dee! So shallow. Hmmph. I've been waiting for that 'that's why I married you' business to come back and bite... and sure enough: Shock! Horror! The son is NOT like the father?! I'm outta here... Never mind that I guilted him into staying with me instead of being with the love of his life for five seconds before he DIED.
Ach, the rage, it's not going away any time soon...
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Date: 2007-03-19 11:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-19 11:59 pm (UTC)I found a list of his crimes somewhere (apols to whoever I clipped it from; I am rubbish at sources)
1) giving someone access to the defense systems
2) allowing a Cylon (Boomer) to remain on Galactica, undetected 3) giving a nuclear bomb to a Cylon in a terrorist organization 4) killing Crashdown.
5) Giving the Cylons all the Colonials' information on the Kobol road map to Earth.
1. Definitely breach of national security while addled by robot sex
2. Wasn't sure if the test he'd designed worked, and did try to get her to shoot herself
3. Well, yes, but he was all upset by the way she'd been treated
4. Someone had to, he was going to get Tyrol killed!
5. It was his information, and he was being brainwashed into thinking he *was* a Cylon at this point.
*pets him, gingerly*
I think Laura had the right idea first time to give everyone a general amnesty, especially those poor NCP people. Adama's just bitter because Tigh's bitter because he killed his wife before he heard about the amnesty.
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:03 am (UTC)Ooh! I'm having a thought!
Oh...
Shame Bill had his rib-cracking heart massage thing before he went there, or it'd be a perfectn pattern.
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:09 am (UTC)There's still time for Bill to come good on that pattern. *has it in for Bill now*
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:11 am (UTC)Ah, that makes sense! I'm more used to reading Lee's subtler jaw-clenches.
I think most episodes need about 83% more Gaeta, so maybe I'll be in luck next week. Only it seems that Tori will become the Featured Bitplayer instead. Hope he has a good cross-examination, though. (not that I've even seen the trailer)
I wasn't impressed by Dee in TABreak anyway. When he came home drunk and miserable, she had an expression as if she'd been sitting up especially to bitch at him. Either go to bed or go out yourself! Gah, I hate martyrs. I don't think she ever knew him for a second. She just felt guilty for dumping Billy for a hott hottie on the very day he died and had to stick with him to make herself feel less shallow. Great, now I've talked myself into feeling sorry for her :D
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:13 am (UTC)(Except that it would only give Lee more to feel guilty about. All he needs now is for his papa to keel over with a heart attack in the dock).
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:22 am (UTC)She just felt guilty for dumping Billy for a hott hottie on the very day he died and had to stick with him to make herself feel less shallow. Great, now I've talked myself into feeling sorry for her :D
And yet in the same line, you talked me out of sympathy with her!
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:27 am (UTC)It would be fun if Kara DID come back after that though:
Kara: Hi, what's up?!
Lee: I've resigned from the military and Dad's deaded.
Kara: Jeez, I leave you alone for FIVE MONTHS and look what happens... *goes back to being dead*
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:30 am (UTC)Hmm.. Maybe if I read it backwards I can fall out with Dee again....yep, it's working. I can see her standing at the hatchway with a rolling-pin saying "What time do you call this to be coming home?". She can go back to sweetly and gently advising her Papaboss while he's glueing his sodding ship back together.
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:35 am (UTC)Also if Bill carked it (heh), he's such an attention whore he'd redo it three times to make sure everyone was watching. With a slow handclap.
Kara: Jeez, I leave you alone for FIVE MONTHS and look what happens... *goes back to being dead* Heh, she's always being left out of the big stuff - last time it was "WTF are you hiding the President on a prison ship and btw here is my Cylon chum".
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:45 am (UTC)I have to say it's really refreshing to read someone actually defend Lee. The comms I hang out in have for the most part been labeling him a whiny little snit. I am in complete and total agreement with you on Adama's treatment of him. I usually love Bill and have sympathy for why he acts the way he does, but I was aghast at his not even being willing to entertain the possibility that Lee wasn't behind bringing Ellen into Saul's cross. As his son, Lee at least deserved the chance to explain himself, but apparently Bill wasn't interested. A big FAIL moment for him in my book.
PS: A BSG fan sympathetic to Lee AND an SV fan sympathetic to Lois? I'm friending you, if that's alright. =D
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Date: 2007-03-20 12:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-03-20 12:54 am (UTC)And Hi! *waves* It's very rare that I meet Lee-friendly and Lois-friendly people! *friended back* Aren't you also a vidder? I'm trying to remember where we've crossed paths before... in any case, I am delighted to meet you now!