It's a military decision based on all the evidence that Lee has to hand, including his personal assessment of the individuals. The reason for his decision is not emotional.... Because it was the right military decision. I'm sorry if my comment above confused you into thinking I meant he had an emotional base for his decision.
I've been trying to digest this and I honestly can't get my head around Lee targeting Kara when there were other choices (despite the kind and pleasant way brokenmnemonic tried to instruct me that there weren't).
If it was only Kara on board then the choice would've been taken out of Lee's hands and been more palatable. But it would've been less drama for RDM to play up.
Lee making the right military decision sounds well and good but only if you look at it from a dispassionate place. I realise commenting in the bosom of Lee supporters automatically makes me a target (not from you, but from those who are unable to keep the discussion strictly to the story/characters and have to add comments like 'Chunks of Fandom are tad batshit' to keep the discussions so warm and cozy), but I can't help but wonder how you would feel if the situation was reversed. What if Kara chose Lee to specifically die when other soldiers were at hand? What if she didn't try to soften the blow at the end and simply told him with an impassive face that maybe he deserved to die? It's not so much Lee's action of choosing her to be the one to die as it is his reaction to her in the final scene.
I know you see it as 'shippy. And it was extremely 'shippy from Kara's side. She was all kinds of supportive of Lee throughout Razor and especially with his decision and had the amazingly good graces to not react badly to his stinging comment. I always knew Kara respected Lee as a leader but I never knew until Razor how much. But there was nothing 'shippy at all from Lee except possibly the fact that he'd requested Kara to be his CAG on Pegasus in the first place. And that decision turned out to be a selfish one because it ultimately nearly cost Kara her life three times within the movie.
I wonder if this situation finally made them even with the shooting incident? She recklessly endangered his life and nearly killed him in Sacrifice, despite the fact that her intention was to save him.
Thinking about acting in a purely military fashion instead of an emotional one, doesn't Lee understand that Kara would've broken the rules for him? Besides saving Lee for herself, she would've done it for his father, and for the Fleet. They need their leaders. When Kara disobeyed Lee's authority in the mini and saved him by locking Vipers, I realise the risk she was taking did not directly affect an entire Battlestar and it was only her life and a military asset at risk, but doesn't it count for something? Yes, Kara is a career soldier and knows how things are done, but she always manages to take that extra step to save those around her. It just feels like Lee didn't give enough thought on how he could save her.
I know it's not supposed to be about Lee and Kara, but Ron makes it about Lee and Kara by what he chooses to focus on. From the regular cast it was Lee/Kara and Lee/papadama. As an audience we are supposed to be swept up in the emotional drama otherwise none of us would care when characters die because it was all performed in duty. Ellen Tigh was a traitor so why was her death focused so heavily on how Tigh cried over her body and was devastated afterwards? To simply state that having an emotional reaction to a military show is dumb (like brokenmnemonic accused me of doing when he said "They aren't star-crossed lovers on Star Trek. They are portrayed consistently as living military personnel fighting a war.") shows an unrealistic attitude towards the show. It is about drama and people's lives. Ron Moore has said that many times. We are supposed to care about what happens.
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Date: 2007-11-05 12:54 am (UTC)Because it was the right military decision. I'm sorry if my comment above confused you into thinking I meant he had an emotional base for his decision.
I've been trying to digest this and I honestly can't get my head around Lee targeting Kara when there were other choices (despite the kind and pleasant way brokenmnemonic tried to instruct me that there weren't).
If it was only Kara on board then the choice would've been taken out of Lee's hands and been more palatable. But it would've been less drama for RDM to play up.
Lee making the right military decision sounds well and good but only if you look at it from a dispassionate place. I realise commenting in the bosom of Lee supporters automatically makes me a target (not from you, but from those who are unable to keep the discussion strictly to the story/characters and have to add comments like 'Chunks of Fandom are tad batshit' to keep the discussions so warm and cozy), but I can't help but wonder how you would feel if the situation was reversed. What if Kara chose Lee to specifically die when other soldiers were at hand? What if she didn't try to soften the blow at the end and simply told him with an impassive face that maybe he deserved to die? It's not so much Lee's action of choosing her to be the one to die as it is his reaction to her in the final scene.
I know you see it as 'shippy. And it was extremely 'shippy from Kara's side. She was all kinds of supportive of Lee throughout Razor and especially with his decision and had the amazingly good graces to not react badly to his stinging comment. I always knew Kara respected Lee as a leader but I never knew until Razor how much. But there was nothing 'shippy at all from Lee except possibly the fact that he'd requested Kara to be his CAG on Pegasus in the first place. And that decision turned out to be a selfish one because it ultimately nearly cost Kara her life three times within the movie.
I wonder if this situation finally made them even with the shooting incident? She recklessly endangered his life and nearly killed him in Sacrifice, despite the fact that her intention was to save him.
Thinking about acting in a purely military fashion instead of an emotional one, doesn't Lee understand that Kara would've broken the rules for him? Besides saving Lee for herself, she would've done it for his father, and for the Fleet. They need their leaders. When Kara disobeyed Lee's authority in the mini and saved him by locking Vipers, I realise the risk she was taking did not directly affect an entire Battlestar and it was only her life and a military asset at risk, but doesn't it count for something? Yes, Kara is a career soldier and knows how things are done, but she always manages to take that extra step to save those around her. It just feels like Lee didn't give enough thought on how he could save her.
I know it's not supposed to be about Lee and Kara, but Ron makes it about Lee and Kara by what he chooses to focus on. From the regular cast it was Lee/Kara and Lee/papadama. As an audience we are supposed to be swept up in the emotional drama otherwise none of us would care when characters die because it was all performed in duty. Ellen Tigh was a traitor so why was her death focused so heavily on how Tigh cried over her body and was devastated afterwards? To simply state that having an emotional reaction to a military show is dumb (like brokenmnemonic accused me of doing when he said "They aren't star-crossed lovers on Star Trek. They are portrayed consistently as living military personnel fighting a war.") shows an unrealistic attitude towards the show. It is about drama and people's lives. Ron Moore has said that many times. We are supposed to care about what happens.